Braves in talks w/ NL West club

bravesfanforlife88 said:
If we are dealing with the Dodgers again and Simmons is involved, if Peraza is not headed back then I am not interested in the deal. That would solve 2 issues there...lead off hitter/SS replacement, and right handed hitter.

SS Peraza
CF Maybin
1B Freeman
RF Puig
LF Markakis
3B Olivera
2B Peterson
C Bethancourt/AJ

Though now the scary part of that would be Wood, Johnson, Symba for Peraza (who we originally had), Puig, and Olivera.......:facepalm::Gasp::facepalm:
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Well, for what it's worth, I think that's actually a pretty solid lineup. But, it won't happen.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Well, for what it's worth, I think that's actually a pretty solid lineup. But, it won't happen.
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Still don't think it is a playoff line up, maybe far from it. You would have to count on bounce back year from Puig and Freeman, a healthy season out of Maybin, Peraza to perform in his rookie year, and Olivera, Peterson, and Bethancourt to take big steps all in one year.
 
striker42 said:
What if it meant getting a sure thing back?

I think everyone will admit that trading Simmons for a sore armed pitcher would be incredibly stupid but what if you could get a sure thing piece back? At that point you're just betting more on Albies being something than what you have at the other position. For example, if we got a 3B of equivalent value for Simmons then we'd essentially be shifting our lack of a 3B to a lack of a SS and we have Albies as an option at SS.
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Sure but I don't see that play being out there at all. Best case scenario is trading him for high end prospects who have a good chance of being something which you can argue for and agaisnt. I'd rather keep Simmons and move Albies to 2nd isntead of creating another hole.
 
I'm not against trading him but it would better be a haul.

His contract is really team friendly so kinda surprising in that sentiment.

6 mil, 8 mil, 11 mil, 13 mil, 15 mil are the last 5 years i think.

Some ML ready hitting would be nice instead of prospects.
 
Heyward said:
I'm not against trading him but it would better be a haul.

His contract is really team friendly so kinda surprising in that sentiment.

6 mil, 8 mil, 11 mil, 13 mil, 15 mil are the last 5 years i think.

Some ML ready hitting would be nice instead of prospects.
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Yeah, same here. A lot of people seem to act like our haul wouldn't be that significant. If it isn't, we don't trade him, because he's an incredible player in his prime with a fantastic contract. I expect A LOT. If we aren't offered it, the team's are moronic and we keep him - no losses at all.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Again, I only trade Simba if it's a MONSTER deal. If not, don't do it. There is literally no NEED to do so. It's just more of a "what the hell," type of move.
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Yup

Something i can see is Simmons and Pierzynski to the Padres for Norris, Renfroe, Rondon, and Perez.

That gives us right now a starting catcher who's really good (almost a like for like value swap in all liekly hood) a potential big time OF bat, a potential replacement at SS for Simmons and a power bat who can play 2B or 3B.
 
striker42 said:
Sherman: #Mets inquired on Simmons this morn and told ask price is Harvey or deGrom, so no way. Also shows how #Braves initially valuing Simmons
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Im not sure i would have traded him for Harvey.

Worry about arm problems and only under control for 3 years, rumors he'll sign with the Yanks if he hits FA.

Besides, if Simmons is dealt, Atl needs some impact bats
 
thewupk said:
I'd rather trade Albies then move a sure thing in Simmons.
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This is short term thinking. You get another very good piece of the puzzle, maybe two, knowing that you already have Albies coming up with Castro able to hold down the fort in the short term. You have to think beyond this season.
 
Heyward said:
Im not sure i would have traded him for Harvey.

Worry about arm problems and only under control for 3 years, rumors he'll sign with the Yanks if he hits FA.

Besides, if Simmons is dealt, Atl needs some impact bats
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If we got a Harvey or DeGrom we could flip them or another starter for bats.
 
mfree80 said:
This is short term thinking. You get another very good piece of the puzzle, maybe two, knowing that you already have Albies coming up with Castro able to hold down the fort in the short term. You have to think beyond this season.
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Or they could just keep him but that makes too much sense.

Who needs the best defensive player in baseball signed to a team-friendly contract anyway.
 
Tapate50 said:
The caveat to all of that is that we have a cheap high ceiling SS waiting to take his place in Albies. All those things don't apply in the Olivera department (positionwise).
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Yes, a minimum of two years away and with all of the pertinent caveats attached.

I say this as someone who is actually pretty bullish on Albies and thinks he can handle short in the bigs.

Maybe Ozzie can slot right in there in 2018 or even 2017. That's assuming he needs only the most cursory seasoning or adjustment at the big league level. All in all, even as a fan of Albies, it's sort of a stretch to imagine him truly replacing Tron for a few years yet.

I guess that means the organization doesn't really think so highly of Rio and Dustin Peterson.

Still, if they get a couple of bigleague ready contributors for Tron, and Ozzie is what we think is, it could work out well. I think it all depends on the putative return.
 
goldfly said:
what?
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"the lies we were told last offseason"

Who lied to you? (The press and talk radio that gets paid to start all the rumors to begin with? I find it highly unlikely that JS, Hart, or Coppy told you anything directly.

"not only did we keep Fredi, we extended him"

Still sore about who's managing a bad team? Seriously???

There was a huge chunk of people that walked all the way to the ledge - and jumped off when the trades started last winter who said they were "done" then. Relatively sure you were one of them. Just find it funny that most of them are still around complaining about things today.
 
Tapate50 said:
Fangraphs suggested a Puig for Simmons based swap.
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Not just "no", but HELL NO - please!!!

For all his talent and potential, Puig is going to wind up being another Hanley Ramirez. I wouldn't want him in my clubhouse.

A bit off-topic, but a funny aside - I remember quite a few people saying they thought Hanley should be a target. Casey Stern and Jim Bowden (an admitted Hanley guy) went through an exercise earlier where they tried to come up with a club the Red Sox could unload Hanley on this winter and couldn't come up with a single one.
 
Julio3000 said:
Yes, a minimum of two years away and with all of the pertinent caveats attached.

I say this as someone who is actually pretty bullish on Albies and thinks he can handle short in the bigs.

Maybe Ozzie can slot right in there in 2018 or even 2017. That's assuming he needs only the most cursory seasoning or adjustment at the big league level. All in all, even as a fan of Albies, it's sort of a stretch to imagine him truly replacing Tron for a few years yet.

I guess that means the organization doesn't really think so highly of Rio and Dustin Peterson.

Still, if they get a couple of bigleague ready contributors for Tron, and Ozzie is what we think is, it could work out well. I think it all depends on the putative return.
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I think all that applies to the FO at this time. If you had to look at one spot where we could lose a premium talent and be OK long term its probably SS.

I think Peterson played more OF of late but I could be in outerspace with that. Riley would more likely be the guy that bumps someone? IDK. he is lightyears away though.
 
clvclv said:
"the lies we were told last offseason"

Who lied to you? (The press and talk radio that gets paid to start all the rumors to begin with? I find it highly unlikely that JS, Hart, or Coppy told you anything directly.

"not only did we keep Fredi, we extended him"

Still sore about who's managing a bad team? Seriously???

There was a huge chunk of people that walked all the way to the ledge - and jumped off when the trades started last winter who said they were "done" then. Relatively sure you were one of them. Just find it funny that most of them are still around complaining about things today.
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Yes... fans must blindly support everything the FO does or else they can't be fans.

I guess you're the best fan in the biz
 
mfree80 said:
This is short term thinking. You get another very good piece of the puzzle, maybe two, knowing that you already have Albies coming up with Castro able to hold down the fort in the short term. You have to think beyond this season.
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I am thinking beyond this season. We have Simmons under contract for 5 more seasons at a way below market rate. Trading Simmons will get us possible pieces of the puzzle. Albies is a possible piece of the puzzle. I'd rather put Albies at 2nd honestly. Trading Simmons goes directly in the opposite direction of what they did with the Olivera deal.
 
Unless the deal is uber insane i dont see the need to deal Simmons ASAP.

I can get the Jason/Justin deals given they were FA's to be and were gonna cost a boatload of cash to keep.

Even Kimbrel deal made sense since it got BJ off the books and we got his best years.

Just dont know about this one unless the deal is very substantial in the Braves way .
 
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