Braves Meeting with Lester

emk418 said:
I'm not saying I think signing Lester is the best use of our money but I feel more comfortable giving big money to a proven ace that's one of the best post season pitchers in baseball.
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He'll be 31-32, Heyward is 25 and not in his prime yet.

I'll take Heyward at his insane demands over Lester.
 
emk418 said:
I'm not saying I think signing Lester is the best use of our money but I feel more comfortable giving big money to a proven ace that's one of the best post season pitchers in baseball.
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The Braves could sign Lester, Scherzer and Shields to go with Teheran and Wood in the rotation and still wouldn't make the postseason without scoring any runs.

Lester is going to cost at least 5/100, so how in the world will there be any money to improve an offense that just went from "terrible" to "worse than terrible" after losing TLS and Heyward? Does signing Lester somehow make Wood or Teheran available to trade for offense?
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves could sign Lester, Scherzer and Shields to go with Teheran and Wood in the rotation and still wouldn't make the postseason without scoring any runs.

Lester is going to cost at least 5/100, so how in the world will there be any money to improve an offense that just went from "terrible" to "worse than terrible" after losing TLS and Heyward? Does signing Lester somehow make Wood or Teheran available to trade for offense?
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Again I don't think signing Lester is the best use of our available money. If we sign him I would expect that to make Minor available for a bat. But I'd much rather just sign a Masterson type and spend the money on offense. Our pitching is good enough as is if we get a decent 5th starter.
 
Hawk said:
David O'Brien

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#Braves will meet with Jon Lester, and I'm told it's legit, w/ strong mutual interest. Could fit ATL
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Let's face it...all this meeting on Thurs really means is that the Braves won't be making any more moves until after this meeting on Thurs.

The Braves are not signing Jon Lester.
 
Unless they're moving Upton/Gattis for some legit hitters. You know....the ones who don't strike out so much? Yeah, those guys.
 
I really like the idea of adding a veteran to the rotation. In retrospect I think it was a mistake not giving Hudson 2 years. He'd fit in perfect for us for next season. I'm happy with Lester if he comes for a significant discount. Certainly would be a great fit as a veteran leader for our young core of arms. I'm like some others though that if it's anything close to Heyward money then I'm out. But I would be shocked if it is. I'm guessing something closer to what BJ got is what we're looking at if the Braves can reach a deal. Maybe some vesting options in there to make it a long term deal.

Maybe 5 years 75 million with three vesting years at 15 mil per. I know he rejected more with Boston, but if he wants to be here then this is what makes the most sense for both parties right now.
 
Enscheff said:
The Braves could sign Lester, Scherzer and Shields to go with Teheran and Wood in the rotation and still wouldn't make the postseason without scoring any runs.

Lester is going to cost at least 5/100, so how in the world will there be any money to improve an offense that just went from "terrible" to "worse than terrible" after losing TLS and Heyward? Does signing Lester somehow make Wood or Teheran available to trade for offense?
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Bc the offseason is over....
 
Would very much like to know if they are in fact going to non-tender Medlen. I was actually thinking he'd be part of the mix sometime in 2015.

Lester is reasonable almost only if Minor is part of a deal, and the poster than pointed out he is at a low point in value is 100 percent correct. So, no Lester. Almost rather they go after Santana.
 
clvclv said:
Unfortunately some of us actually have to work and have other responsibilities. I'd love to hang out and check every post and refresh my Twitter feed all day, but I'm afraid that ain't happening. The point remains the same - don't spout off about how "wrong" the front office is if you haven't checked into things. They're paid to do exactly that, and I'm quite sure you're not discovering something they don't already know.
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Well aren't you just awesome.
 
For the right price this could be ok. Just doesn't mesh with the whole rebuild mode they have already begun. But if he signs for significantly less than market value because he wants to play close to home, then it may be too good of an opportunity to pass up. If he'd sign for like 6/90, it would be very tempting considering what other aces are likely to get in the market.

This is becoming a very odd off-season.
 
clvclv said:
Unfortunately some of us actually have to work and have other responsibilities. I'd love to hang out and check every post and refresh my Twitter feed all day, but I'm afraid that ain't happening. The point remains the same - don't spout off about how "wrong" the front office is if you haven't checked into things. They're paid to do exactly that, and I'm quite sure you're not discovering something they don't already know.
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You literally had to move down one post from the one you quoted to see that fact had been corrected. Don't act like it was buried in the thread somewhere.
 
ramadon101 said:
Meta I'm not sure if you are saying this in jest (although I suspect you are) but I'm telling you Jason would not have accepted anything less than $220-240m and even then there was push back on his side at those figures depending on the number of years the Braves were willing to commit. I'm not a big fan of Dave Cameron but his recent FG article hit the nail on the head-- Jason's market value is likely in the mid-200s unless he completely collapses in 2015. Casey knew this and Jason was not willing to accept a large discount to stay in Atlanta. Would he have accepted $220 instead of $250? Perhaps- but that's irrelevant because the Braves weren't close to that figure. End of story.

This has NOTHING to do with the -itis. Every person in the FO adored Jason. They all wanted him here for a long time, alongside Freeman and Simmons- but they valued him differently than he and Casey valued himself. Once the discussions proved there was no way to bridge the gap in perceived values, the Braves did what they could to extract as much value as they could via trade -- and did so quickly because this move is what predicates the remainder of the offseason plans for Hart and co.
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The -itis part was a joke, mostly.

You are an exceptional poster with a long history of rationality. I have no reason to think you are lying. However, that doesn't mean I'm just gonna take your word for it.

(a) This is the internet
(b) I have no idea who you are
(c) I have no idea what connection you have to the front office
(d) I have no idea how many people are between your connection and the actual people involved in this story
(e) You yourself previously stated "apparently they are apart on both years and AAV by a "significant margin"-- I have no details as to what that means... but I can tell you with Stanton projected to make over $300M, Casey has a good case for Jason at or slightly above $200 and the Braves aren't comfortable at that price point." But now you are saying that you know that he was asking for $240-250m? That doesn't mean you are lying but it leads me to believe you might be making some assumptions based on limited info.

For all I know, you have a nephew you trust very well who is interning in the Braves marketing department. He gave you this information because that's the word around the office, and you have no reason to doubt him. But that would just be gossip from someone who heard it maybe fifth-hand. That would be completely unreliable information.

I think that is way more likely than someone actually involved telling you real details of the negotiation. But, ultimately, I have no idea! This is the internet! You could actually be John Hart for all I know.

On the other hand, I do know that Jason Heyward says the Braves did not discuss it with him or his agent anytime recently. So... yeah, if your story is true, then Heyward is lying.

Ultimately, I don't really care. I just find the whole situation depressing. Heyward should have been a Brave for life, and regardless of the details of the negotiation, it is a failure on the part of the front office that it didn't happen.
 
yeezus said:
And it's guaranteed true because some guy on the internet said it.
It's all about who you want to believe: this guy or Heyward himself.
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Why can't they both be right? Heyward may indeed never spoke with the FO regarding his contract because he left it up to his agent. May be Jason's agent is giving him false information to save face.

I do find it interesting that people are so easily trusting of Jason Heyward, a man whom most (if not all) have never met. Even though various reports (and also common sense) would suggest otherwise.
 
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