Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
You had 13 spots to add leadership/fire/heart. Of course, you only really needed to replace one spot.
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You had 13 spots to add leadership/fire/heart. Of course, you only really needed to replace one spot.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
A majority of teams would've fired him after 2011. Out of those few who wouldn't, we might be the only ones who would've kept him after this.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Some say culture is more important than scheme/players. I think our culture is out of whack, and it ain't because of Heyward, or JUp, or Simmons. The good ol' "Braves Way" has run its course, but we keep all the guys around who perpetuated it for so long.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I don't think the problem is the real Braves Way. The problem is that everyone is talking about it and no one is doing it. This scapegoating and lack of loyalty and dysfunctional clubhouse has little in common with the Braves Way I remember and love.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I would say hitting coach and pitching coach are more important than the actual manager. Seitzer is one of the best in my opinion. If he could just get BJ, Andrelton, and CJ to be close to league average hitters the offense will suddenly not be so bad. All 3 are physically capable. Andrelton second half of 2013 put up a .313 OBP and .473 slugging%. Johnson had a year this bad a few years ago and recovered to have several above average offensive seasons in a row. BJ is in his physical prime and the bar is pretty low for center field anyways.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I think this is crap. The problem is we had ****ty players. The guy won 96 games with two of the fifteen worst player/seasons of all time. But I'm guessing the 96 wins was despite Fredi and the 85 losses this year were because of him, right?
Why don't you take the gig, forced to play BJ every day or close to it and see how you do. Where do you hide him? When he had to play him and Uggla, where do you hide them?
I don't know that Fredi is a Hall of Famer, but if you think he's the problem, you really need a new prescription.
The groupthink on this site is ridiculous.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
If you don't think Fredi is part of the problem, then it is you and not us that "really need a new prescription" IMO. But hey, I hope the rant made you feel better.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
If you don't think Fredi is part of the problem, then it is you and not us that "really need a new prescription" IMO. But hey, I hope the rant made you feel better.
Yeah, the rant helped. The problem was the 3700 strikeouts and hitting .102 with RISP, though. I wasn't sick of Fredi, I was sick of BJ and the Boys.
I spent years on the predecessors of this website reading how Bobby was a ****ing idiot, too. And, of course, he's one of the great managers of all time.
You'd be amazed how sexy big Fredi would be if we could actually hit in a playoff game. Thanks, Rick Ankiel, for giving us a playoff win this millennium.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm not, Fredi is among the worst I've ever seen when it comes to bullpen management and abuse of relievers. Nsacpi has covered this area very well concerning Fredi and I see it basically the same way he does.
That said, I don't feel the need to really argue so much about Fredi anymore. That is why I didn't make any counter points to the rant (such as batting BJ first so often, etc). I really don't see Fredi having his contract renewed after this coming season. I don't expect them to fire him but I do see them letting him walk after his contract expires.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I think they gave up. I don't know if they gave up "on Fredi." What little hitting they were doing ceased.
It was just a **** year. I lost interest in early September, too.
But, then, I wasn't paid several millions of dollars to stay focused like some of those useless ****ers. Yeah, I'm looking at you, BJ. And CJ. And all you other clowns.
Another year like that and I'm gonna be a Mariners fan.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I see this a little differently. I agree to an extent, but think it's more how bullpen management has evolved. In 1977 Sparky Lyle won the Cy Young Award pitching 137 innings over 73 games. That's basically two innings per outing. These dudes are warming four days in a row and such, they get into two or three of those and go one inning.
A modest proposal - go back to using relievers two innings at a shot and see if a lot of this overuse injury doesn't scale back.
I'm for any manager who does that. And only bunts when there's a pitcher who is a hopeless .037 hitter, a runner on first, no outs, and that pitcher has been certified by the American Bunting Association (ABA).
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
You know, you never see Fredi and Pitbull in the same place at the same time.
Dusty Baker says hey.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
Fredi is the worst manager ever, the only one worse will be the one that replaces him.
tomahawkchop10
Gwinnett Bound
While we're doing some management bashing here and I've been drinking some beer, how you guys liking or like Hart? I didn't want him hired, I didn't like him on mlbnetwork, and I like him less now. And it has nothing to do with the Heyward trade. He just comes off as full of it and on mlb network I thought he was a bad evaluater of talent/value. Sorry beer rant over.