I'm not following you. Please elaborate.
Braves sign Ervin Santana to 1 year 14.1M deal
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I'm not following you. Please elaborate.
CrimsonCowboy
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Plain and simple, had to do it.
More of a neccessity than an actual good deal. 14 mil and a first rounder is a steep price but it had to be done to hope to compete in the NL East.
I hope he can maintain what he did last year which was major improvement over previous 3-4 years. His biggest flaw is HR rate and bein in Atl should help that. KCs defense helped him a bit last year, but having Simmons and a talented OF should help him as well.
A mid 3s to low 4 era is probably expected which isnt terrible for a 3rd starter even if its a steep price.
Wren kind of backed himself in the corner on this one with only Minor as good vet type pitcher. The rest are youngsters, injury concerns, or crappy vets. Having 14 mil to cover up that mistake came in handy.
The alternative was Minor, JT, garcia, Wood, Floyd/Hale and that isnt winning anything.
I hope he can maintain what he did last year which was major improvement over previous 3-4 years. His biggest flaw is HR rate and bein in Atl should help that. KCs defense helped him a bit last year, but having Simmons and a talented OF should help him as well.
A mid 3s to low 4 era is probably expected which isnt terrible for a 3rd starter even if its a steep price.
Wren kind of backed himself in the corner on this one with only Minor as good vet type pitcher. The rest are youngsters, injury concerns, or crappy vets. Having 14 mil to cover up that mistake came in handy.
The alternative was Minor, JT, garcia, Wood, Floyd/Hale and that isnt winning anything.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Assuming health that would give us 4 guys in a 3-4 FIP most likely, or at least 3 and FLoyd in the low 4s. Only Garcia and Hale are bums from that group. Teams have won with way worse rotations than Minor, Julio, Wood, Floyd and Garcia/Hale.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Santana sucks! I absolutely hate this move. Pathetic walk-to-strikeout ratio.
We could have won around 85-90 games with that team and that is assuming breakouts from Heyward. We definitely needed another guy.
It was pretty good last year.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
LMAO! Javier Vazquez was actually a very good pitcher when he wasn't trying to pitch for the Yankees. There's nothing to like about Santana. Guy doesn't strikeout people and when you don't strikeout people you can't have as poor of walk numbers as he does.
If you really believe U get 2 guys to put up above average numbers out of Hale, Wood, Garcia, Floyd then sobeit.
Teams may have won with worse rotations. They likely had great offenses and/or a lack if competition. We have to compete with 4 stud pitchers on the Nats with an offense that is a bit of a question mark outside of Heyward, Freeman, Jup
He struck out 160+ guys in 4 of his 8 seasons. Only 21 pitchers in the majors last year struck out 160+ guys.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
It was also his "career" year. Aside from 2008 when he had 214 strikeouts to only 47 walks in 219 innings he's been poor in that area with last year being his 2nd best year in that area. Most years he's barely been about 2 strikeouts for every 1 walk. That's not good.
BRule
<B>BBQ Lead Hostess</B>
14.1 mil
Santana has MUCH better career numbers vs the NL, there's no way you can hate this. It's one year, 2 of our starters are done and we are in win now mode.
For the people bitching about the pick, who is the last, late 1st rounder, that the Braves picked that turned out to be good?
Santana has MUCH better career numbers vs the NL, there's no way you can hate this. It's one year, 2 of our starters are done and we are in win now mode.
For the people bitching about the pick, who is the last, late 1st rounder, that the Braves picked that turned out to be good?
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Most years his WHIP is closer to 1.5 than it is 1.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I don't care about the draft pick. And I'm supposed to be thrilled that Santana has a handful of good starts against NL teams and take that as a sign he'll be great here?
Santana and Vaz are different types of pitchers but there certainly od at least the possibility Santana puts up a very good year. Obviously not striking a ton of people out and being a fly ball pitcher isnt typically a recope for success, but being out of the AL and in a pitcher friendly park should help.
The similarities between vaz and him are that they have chance to be really good or really bad. But at this point what other options are there?
