AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
I wasn't talking about fWAR. I was talking about strikeout-to-walk ratio.
Braves sign Ervin Santana to 1 year 14.1M deal
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I wasn't talking about fWAR. I was talking about strikeout-to-walk ratio.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Of course giving up a homerun is worse than a single but they're both BAD. That's the point I'm trying to make here.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Ok, I'm done bitching now. It is what it is. All I can do is cross my fingers and hope for a FIP of around 4.
bravebonebook
Spring Training Invitee
I went to sleep last night with 3/5 of the rotation injured. I wake up to see that they've signed the best pitcher still available to fill in some of that damage. We still get a 1st rd sandwich pick. We still have ALL of our players to plug in or use as trade chips later if necessary. Liberty finally spent money to fix a problem. How is this a bad thing?
The regular season starts in two weeks. BEST case scenario other teams aren't going to give the Braves a free pass or do-over on these games while they just "wait" for Medlen, Beachy, Minor and Floyd to get well enough to pitch! The team needed another starter NOW not later. And Santana not only gives you that good, veteran starter but could even anchor the staff with a really good year! You don't pay pennies to fix your roof after a tornado; you pay for the best you can and hope for the best as you move on.
The regular season starts in two weeks. BEST case scenario other teams aren't going to give the Braves a free pass or do-over on these games while they just "wait" for Medlen, Beachy, Minor and Floyd to get well enough to pitch! The team needed another starter NOW not later. And Santana not only gives you that good, veteran starter but could even anchor the staff with a really good year! You don't pay pennies to fix your roof after a tornado; you pay for the best you can and hope for the best as you move on.
Sure, nobody wants the pitcher to give up anything but there are situations when walking a guy is a smart move or when a bleeder gets through. Its just not the best stat to use. He had a good year last year and is moving to a pitchers park in the NL behind a very good defense.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
The Braves don't have a very good defense. They have Simmons and Heyward who are unbelievable, B.J. who's very good and then a bunch of average to below average guys.
Diesel
Spring Training Invitee
Dude, you're acting as if this is your money the Braves just spent or that it will hinder us in the future. It's a one year deal. We are better off having another legitimate option. You do realize that Teheran and Wood are the only quality pitchers we have healthy at this point? You do realize just because we have had a rash of injuries here in Spring Training that it doesn't preclude more injuries during the season? We had to do this.
NYCBrave
Well-known member
Why would you say that? This is only a 1 year deal. A 4 year deal on Santana and I'd agree, but I don't think this affects Heyward in any way.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Hale will get some starts early in the season. Looks like Santana and Minor won't be ready until around mid-April. Beachy might start the season on the DL as well.
I'm ok with the Santana deal. There is a slightly better than 50% chance he pitches well enough to merit a qualifying offer, in which case we will recoup the lost draft pick. I think we would have been able to get by with our current group of pitchers if one of Medlen or Beachy was healthy. But neither are. We could have waited and tried to trade for pitching later, but I suspect the cost in the form of prospects would have exceeded the value of the draft pick we are giving up.
The other interesting aspect of this is the approval of a contract that takes the team well past projected payroll. What does this say about any remaining flexibility to make a mid-season move?
PurpleBrave
On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List
How can you dislike this deal? Come on. Quit complaining to complain.
What would you have the Braves do? Roll out Garcia & Hale? Trade prospects, which would equate to a 1st rounder, for another player?
If the Braves sat on their hands, then they'd have to make some upgrades to the pen at some point because the rotation we had isn't logging big innings. This is a great move for both the Braves & Santana who will almost certainly see his numbers improve. FPIP, FIP Flop Fwiw who cares, he was in the AL. For Santana, he moves to the NL east he'll post better numbers while he's on a 1 year prove it contract. Win Win for both Santana & the Braves
What would you have the Braves do? Roll out Garcia & Hale? Trade prospects, which would equate to a 1st rounder, for another player?
If the Braves sat on their hands, then they'd have to make some upgrades to the pen at some point because the rotation we had isn't logging big innings. This is a great move for both the Braves & Santana who will almost certainly see his numbers improve. FPIP, FIP Flop Fwiw who cares, he was in the AL. For Santana, he moves to the NL east he'll post better numbers while he's on a 1 year prove it contract. Win Win for both Santana & the Braves
PurpleBrave
On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List
Blue Jays skipper John Gibbons "seemed more subdued than usual" during his media session Wednesday and "hinted" that the Blue Jays "had made plans based on signing Ervin [Santana]," reports Toronto radio broadcaster Mike Wilner.
With the Nos. 4-5 spots in the rotation projected to be occupied by question marks -- J.A. Happ and Drew Hutchison -- and the No. 3 spot manned by a pitcher coming off a poor and injury-plagued season (Brandon Morrow), most analysts predicted Toronto would step up and land Santana. Apparently the Blue Jays' miffed manager did too. Santana signed a one-year, $14.1 million contract with Atlanta on Wednesday. It's possible that Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos got too cute here.
Braves GM Frank Wren said Ervin Santana will throw a bullpen session and live batting practice before making his first exhibition start.
The Braves will ease him into things and expect Santana to join the rotation in mid-April. Atlanta swooped in and signed Santana to a one-year, $14.1 million contract (his initial asking price was reportedly in the $100 million range) on Wednesday morning to help patch up a rotation that is dealing with injuries to Kris Medlen (forearm) and Brandon Beachy (elbow). Santana, 31, posted a 3.24 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, and 161/51 K/BB ratio in 211 innings last season for the Royals.
With the Nos. 4-5 spots in the rotation projected to be occupied by question marks -- J.A. Happ and Drew Hutchison -- and the No. 3 spot manned by a pitcher coming off a poor and injury-plagued season (Brandon Morrow), most analysts predicted Toronto would step up and land Santana. Apparently the Blue Jays' miffed manager did too. Santana signed a one-year, $14.1 million contract with Atlanta on Wednesday. It's possible that Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos got too cute here.
Braves GM Frank Wren said Ervin Santana will throw a bullpen session and live batting practice before making his first exhibition start.
The Braves will ease him into things and expect Santana to join the rotation in mid-April. Atlanta swooped in and signed Santana to a one-year, $14.1 million contract (his initial asking price was reportedly in the $100 million range) on Wednesday morning to help patch up a rotation that is dealing with injuries to Kris Medlen (forearm) and Brandon Beachy (elbow). Santana, 31, posted a 3.24 ERA, 1.14 WHIP, and 161/51 K/BB ratio in 211 innings last season for the Royals.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
I am happy. This was a must sign for the Braves. For all the talk of the Braves are so close to getting there, this was an obvious move. The franchise sees an opportunity to win it all and they are going for it. What is not to like about your team trying to put all the pieces together to win.
Now I am not saying Santana puts us over the top, but the season outlook is better than it was after Beachy and Medlen went down. Anyone who doesn't realize this probably should root for the Marlins.
Now I am not saying Santana puts us over the top, but the season outlook is better than it was after Beachy and Medlen went down. Anyone who doesn't realize this probably should root for the Marlins.
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
Giving up 3 singles and then a home run is by far worse by the way.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I've seen him pitch a decent number of times at US Cellular, living in Chicago, and I disagree with your assessment—as would, I think, most White Sox fans.
Now, whether he can successfully recover his former performance-levels following surgery is another matter entirely.
PurpleBrave
On BBA's Top 100 Prospects List
Maybe this move indicates their about to take big Dan's salary off the books 
Tapate50
Well-known member
Sounds like some MAJOR sour grapes coming from Toronto...
Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos said Ervin Santana didn't want to pitch in the American League.
"We're in the American League," Anthopoulos said during an appearance on Sportsnet 590 radio in Toronto. "Guys that don't want to be in the American League, there's nothing we can do." A.A. insisted that the right-hander's decision "was not money, was not years." We find this line of reasoning rather difficult to accept, as Santana has never actually pitched in the N.L., having spent the entirety of his nine-year career between the Angels and Royals. It seems that Anthopoulos is annoyed that Santana, choosing between equal offers, preferred the NL East instead of the AL East, an obvious choice for a hurler looking to rebuild his market value in 2014. We'd suggest to Anthopoulos that if he'd been more aggressive in February -- before Atlanta's rotation became ravaged by injury -- Santana would be in Toronto's Opening Day rotation.
Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos said Ervin Santana didn't want to pitch in the American League.
"We're in the American League," Anthopoulos said during an appearance on Sportsnet 590 radio in Toronto. "Guys that don't want to be in the American League, there's nothing we can do." A.A. insisted that the right-hander's decision "was not money, was not years." We find this line of reasoning rather difficult to accept, as Santana has never actually pitched in the N.L., having spent the entirety of his nine-year career between the Angels and Royals. It seems that Anthopoulos is annoyed that Santana, choosing between equal offers, preferred the NL East instead of the AL East, an obvious choice for a hurler looking to rebuild his market value in 2014. We'd suggest to Anthopoulos that if he'd been more aggressive in February -- before Atlanta's rotation became ravaged by injury -- Santana would be in Toronto's Opening Day rotation.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
How's that?
This is irrelevant. A pitcher could give up 3 singles an inning ad not give up a run. Ground ball pitchers, ftw