weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Yeah, I just don't think you can't compare it to Howard's deal. It's apples and oranges.
Braves sign Freeman to 8 year 135M deal! *Updated to 135m*
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Yeah, I just don't think you can't compare it to Howard's deal. It's apples and oranges.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Market value deal now maybe, but maybe not market value deal in 2 years. TV markets are rapidly changing the market.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's highly speculative. There'a a very real chance we've hit the spending bubble about now. Remember that it remained stagnant for a few years until the Angels/Dodgers/Rangers selling spree. Most teams don't want to hit the luxury tax so they'll dodge it.
Seriously??? This is exactly why some people can't stand the "numbers-based" community.
EVERY SINGLE NUMBER anyone's thrown out reflects that the deal SHOULD at worst be break-even for either side.
Freddie Freeman is "that guy" that you want to build your roster around if you want to be a contender. His numbers thus far line up with ANYONE, and you want to classify it as "not a bargain"???
Freeman may very well have just become the last player in the history of the franchise to have a legitimate chance at being the "Next Chipper". One thing your models miss is that my nieces' kids may be buying #5 jerseys 10-12 years from now. Make sure to build in those inflated dollars when you try to justify things...my first Chipper jersey cost me $10 - you can't get one for less than 125% of that today.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Well that's life. It's all speculative.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Today reaffirmed my confidence in Wren.
Quite a few of these posts are like reading Twitter feeds without the hashtags. Some of you guys need to learn the value of patience. Considering we've waiting all winter long, giving a few hours for details to emerge isn't expecting much.
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
Yeah, this looks like a market value deal today, but keep in mind free agent salaries have nearly doubled since 2009 and the new national tv deal just went into effect so in 2 or 3 years this extension may look like a steal. Plus since FF is so young, we get the benefits of backloading the contract without the cost of his decline years.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You can say that about any contract signed. Generally they look less bad or better over time, that shouldn't be in your evaluation of when a contract is signed. For all we know the market could collapse and it could look worse (odds are certainly against that of course) but you assess contracts based on the market, hence about market value.
I'm not jumping up and down about this deal because it was pretty much market value, but it was one that needed to be made. There is a lot more that goes into giving a guy a huge deal when you're a mid-market team, and Freeman hits all those intangibles just like Mac and Chipper did. He is young, he wants to be a Brave, he isn't looking to squeeze every FA dollar he can, he is a great teammate, fans love him, he is durable, people view him as "clutch", etc, etc.
Worst case scenario (assuming no catastrophic injury) is probably Freeman producing at roughly his current level (800-850+ OPS) and the Braves pretty much break even on the deal. If his power continues to improve, which is easy to see happening with such a large man, this deal could be a steal.
Let's just hope he doesn't come into 2014 trying to "prove he deserves" this new contract. We've all seen how that can turn out.
Worst case scenario (assuming no catastrophic injury) is probably Freeman producing at roughly his current level (800-850+ OPS) and the Braves pretty much break even on the deal. If his power continues to improve, which is easy to see happening with such a large man, this deal could be a steal.
Let's just hope he doesn't come into 2014 trying to "prove he deserves" this new contract. We've all seen how that can turn out.
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
Press Conference: http://m.braves.mlb.com/video/v31339441/braves-press-conference
NinersSBChamps
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br> 2015 (Co-Winner)</BR>20
Wren is good at trades and signing our current players. Ask him to bring in a free agent and craps the bed.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Glad to hear. Olney has an insider article where he says the Freeman contract means we can't afford Heyward and Kimbrel. I agree on Kimbrel, but that is b/c of him being a closer, not b/c of Freeman. I think we'll have FF type money for Heyward with Uggla gone. Just have to see if Heyward wants that or wants to max his value.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
“We’ve looked to solidify our ballclub going forward, and literally for the last couple of months we’ve been putting together a plan that culminated with this signing,” said Wren, seated next to Freeman and manager Fredi Gonzalez during a news conference Wednesday at Turner Field.
“We’re looking at how we can keep our team together, especially our young, homegrown players, and we have a lot of collaboration from (Braves CEO) Terry McGuirk and (team president) John Schuerholz to make sure this franchise stays strong. And we looked at how we could strategize to make that happen.”
Wren said part of that strategy is linked to increased revenues the Braves expect to get from the move in 2017 to a planned new ballpark in Cobb County. The Braves’ payroll is expected to climb to about $100 million this season, from $90 million in 2013. It still will likely be just below the median major league payroll.
The Braves are counting on increased attendance and revenues at the new ballpark and its planned adjoining retail and entertainment village to help offset the relatively small amount they get from their local TV deal that’s well below other teams’ recent deals.
Link to full article: http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/wren-says-freeman-contract-first-big-step-in-brave/ndD5b/
“We’re looking at how we can keep our team together, especially our young, homegrown players, and we have a lot of collaboration from (Braves CEO) Terry McGuirk and (team president) John Schuerholz to make sure this franchise stays strong. And we looked at how we could strategize to make that happen.”
Wren said part of that strategy is linked to increased revenues the Braves expect to get from the move in 2017 to a planned new ballpark in Cobb County. The Braves’ payroll is expected to climb to about $100 million this season, from $90 million in 2013. It still will likely be just below the median major league payroll.
The Braves are counting on increased attendance and revenues at the new ballpark and its planned adjoining retail and entertainment village to help offset the relatively small amount they get from their local TV deal that’s well below other teams’ recent deals.
Link to full article: http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/wren-says-freeman-contract-first-big-step-in-brave/ndD5b/
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
It certainly sounds like they are going to at least attempt to keep Jason Heyward long term as well, and it wouldn't surprise me if they try to work out something with Teheran and Minor. Freeman may be the first dominoe to fall.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
The issue with Jason is that every other year so far in his major league career, he's had significant injuries that have affected his production. It is easier to reach agreement in terms of valuing a player when that player is more consistent and durable like Freeman. I do think that at his best Heyward is more valuable than Freeman. If he has a season like his 2010 or 2012 seasons in 2014, I could see Heyward getting a bigger contract.