Braves sign Gavin Floyd 1 yr 4M + incentives

emk418 said:
IMO adding a 2B was never on our to do list this offseason. We either trade Uggla and let La Stella, Pastornicky, Pena battle it out or go into ST with Uggla and let them all battle it out.
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Fine, then fix the other 3 areas instead of sticking more questions on the roster.

I must be the only one around here concerned that Hudson and Mac are essentially being replaced by Floyd and Gamel...two guys who have been injured for a year and may or may not make the club on opening day. Hell, it is 100% certain Floyd will miss the first month or more.

This is one of the worst offseasons I can remember for the Braves.
 
Knucksie said:
Going to add a different perspective here. How Beachy will respond will not be known until ST. It's also not set in stone that Wood has a spot in the rotation, bullpen or a ticket to Gwinnett. Next up is the fact that there are always fewer available starts in April. So, with Floyd not available until May, that shouldn't cause any disruptions. This signing also doesn't preclude Wren from still attempting to acquire another starting pitcher.
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Floyd is being paid the money they had earmarked for Hudson. If he doesn't make it back then they will use his incentive money to pay for a starter at the deadline.

Like it or not, Floyd IS the rotation help Wren was seeking.
 
ur opinion ....u don't know what is going to happen anymore than anyone else on this board..

Enscheff said:
I'm sure most "would of" (would've or would have) liked Kendrick.

It's not JUST the fact Wren didn't fix 2B (the biggest hole on the roster), but the way he has fixed ALL areas of need.

The Braves needed to add a piece in 4 areas: 2B, LHed BP, rotation, and bench bat. All the fixes have been injured players that are no more than additional question marks added to the roster. None of the areas of need were actually fixed, they were only maybe fixed if everything worked out when the guy was finally healthy.

Why go into the season with so many roster spots guaranteed to be problematic?

This offseason has been a complete and utter failure so far in my opinion. It is clear Wren severely miscalculated the cost of adding talent this offseason and is now falling back on plans D and E in all cases.
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Enscheff said:
Fine, then fix the other 3 areas instead of sticking more questions on the roster.

I must be the only one around here concerned that Hudson and Mac are essentially being replaced by Floyd and Gamel...two guys who have been injured for a year and may or may not make the club on opening day. Hell, it is 100% certain Floyd will miss the first month or more.

This is one of the worst offseasons I can remember for the Braves.
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We won 96 games last year, so far we've lose 2 players to FA, Hudson and McCann, a combined 4.4 fWAR. We're replacing Mac with more Gattis. A likely downgrade there. But should be more than made up by BOssman bouncing backa nd better production from 2B whether it's through Uggla hitting again or being replaced by TLS. Not to mention Simmons if he can keep his power at a respectable level will be much better. We're probably slighlty worse than last year, but if we're a 92 win team we're in the playoffs, how can that be one of the worst offseasons?
 
A 92 win team in the playoffs may be true but we may be playing in the wild card game. Ugh. Playing in that one game crapshoot should never be the goal.

zitothebrave said:
We won 96 games last year, so far we've lose 2 players to FA, Hudson and McCann, a combined 4.4 fWAR. We're replacing Mac with more Gattis. A likely downgrade there. But should be more than made up by BOssman bouncing backa nd better production from 2B whether it's through Uggla hitting again or being replaced by TLS. Not to mention Simmons if he can keep his power at a respectable level will be much better. We're probably slighlty worse than last year, but if we're a 92 win team we're in the playoffs, how can that be one of the worst offseasons?
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I usually agree pretty much with what Enscheff puts up but here I have to disagree.

We are all aware of the needs or shortcomings of this team.

IMO there has not been a single FA signing by any team that was applicable to the Braves needs. So far, and again IMO the trading season is just now starting, there hasnt been a single trade that was applicable and affordable to the Braves needs.
 
zitothebrave said:
We won 96 games last year, so far we've lose 2 players to FA, Hudson and McCann, a combined 4.4 fWAR. We're replacing Mac with more Gattis. A likely downgrade there. But should be more than made up by BOssman bouncing backa nd better production from 2B whether it's through Uggla hitting again or being replaced by TLS. Not to mention Simmons if he can keep his power at a respectable level will be much better. We're probably slighlty worse than last year, but if we're a 92 win team we're in the playoffs, how can that be one of the worst offseasons?
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WAR is useful, but it's not the end all/be all.

A much simpler analysis was available. Since it wasn't complicated enough, nobody paid attention, when I posted it at Scout. Here it is again:

In 2012, the Braves would have won the division if they'd played .500 in the season series vs. the Nationals. Prior to the '13 season, I mentioned it again. Nobody could've known how much the Nats were going to regress. (Considering how much ranting and venting there is at this forum, their fans really have something to complain about!) Now factor in a rookie, inexperienced manager to the equation.

The rest of you need to stop paying attention to the writers getting worked up about Washington. Part of their jobs is to continue selling the game in our nation's capital, because the league needs for it to happen, esp. after failing their twice already. Plus they have a new playpen.

For the traditionalists, hope springs eternal. Some of you are expecting doom, and we haven't even celebrated Christmas yet.
 
emk418 said:
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this. Why make a move like this still pretty early in the offseason and prevent us from other SP moves? This would be a decent signing in January if we've exhausted all other options but not now.

I've been the biggest Wren supporter over the years but I'm starting to really question his decision making.
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:Wall:

I believe the tone of the old site has been achieved here.
 
Other than Uggla and BJ not a single starter or rotation pitcher has reached his traditional physical maturity. What does that portend?//
 
My concerns have nothing to do with the Nats or their moves.

My concerns with the roster are based on the clear areas of need and the fact Wren has not solved a single one of those needs.

Every single move made so far to address those needs (EOF, Venters, Gamel, Floyd) comes with SERIOUS injury concerns. It is quite possible that none of those signees make an impact before the AS break. In what world are these signings adequate for a WS contending team?

How much koolaid do I need to drink so I can see this as anything other than a total bust of an offseason so far?
 
zitothebrave said:
We won 96 games last year, so far we've lose 2 players to FA, Hudson and McCann, a combined 4.4 fWAR. We're replacing Mac with more Gattis. A likely downgrade there. But should be more than made up by BOssman bouncing backa nd better production from 2B whether it's through Uggla hitting again or being replaced by TLS. Not to mention Simmons if he can keep his power at a respectable level will be much better. We're probably slighlty worse than last year, but if we're a 92 win team we're in the playoffs, how can that be one of the worst offseasons?
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Because some of us would like to go to the playoffs with a chance to actually advance past the 1st round. Losing your two biggest leaders on the team and adding pieces that have no guarantee to ever contribute this year is clear regression in my eyes.
 
benchguy said:
ur opinion ....u don't know what is going to happen anymore than anyone else on this board..
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La Stella, Floyd, Hale, Pena, EOF, JoeT, Buchter and pray to the Gods of baseball that EITHER Uggs or BJ rebounds from the darkness of fail, and I got no problem with this team. I want the money spent paying who we have, with a couple of long-terms (Heyward and Andy) to get the ball rolling.
 
emk418 said:
Because some of us would like to go to the playoffs with a chance to actually advance past the 1st round. Losing your two biggest leaders on the team and adding pieces that have no guarantee to ever contribute this year is clear regression in my eyes.
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What moves do you think could guarantee...or, actually, to be more generous, what moves do you think would greatly, significantly increase our chances of advancing past the first round?
 
MadduxFanII said:
What moves do you think could guarantee...or, actually, to be more generous, what moves do you think would greatly, significantly increase our chances of advancing past the first round?
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No moves guarantee it. Again it's just my opinion but I'm a HUGE Samardzija fan. I 100% would pay a steep price for him and think he would greatly improve our chances in the playoffs.
 
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#Braves GM Frank Wren post Floyd signing today: "I don’t think that we’re going to be actively pursuing starters at this point."

2:48 PM - 16 Dec 2013
 
Really hard to get either excited or particularly bummed about this signing. Pitching depth is always important, and not giving up any prospects is a good thing. Due to the outrageous inflation in salaries we are seeing, I guess $4M guaranteed with incentives is probably about right. Still, hard to get excited about a guy that will definitely miss at least the first month or more of the season and could miss significantly more than that, and is when healthy just a decent major league pitcher. Plus, the money we now have allocated to him ($8.5M in case he hits the incentives) soaks up most of what little payroll flexibility we had.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Other than Uggla and BJ not a single starter or rotation pitcher has reached his traditional physical maturity. What does that portend?//
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That the training staff really has these guys on the wrong drugs.

That, or perhaps that the team should consider moving further away than Cobb County, because there must be something going on with the North Georgia watershed.
 
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