Braves sign Gavin Floyd 1 yr 4M + incentives

zitothebrave said:
No,..just no

If TLS rakes you can go

TLS
Jason (or flip them)
Justin
Freddie
Gattis
Johnson

But you cannot have what likely are our 4 best hitters and not one of them hitting 1 or 2.
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I'd think it's fairly obvious that Fredi's much more likely to stagger his lineups L/R (or R/L) and with "protection considerations" in mind (whether any of us personally believe they do or don't exist) rather than based on significant statistical data. While he does (IMO) at least consider the information he gets from our numbers guys much more than Bobby ever did, I definitely think it's a HUGE stretch to ever expect him to completely "change his spots" - he's an old school guy at the end of the day. Making sure he at least gets Freeman as many ABs as humanly possible should be considered a victory.
 
Your best hitters must hit highest in the order so that they get as many at-bats as possible.

1. Heyward
2. Justin
3. Freeman
4. Gattis
5. Johnson
6. Simmons
7. BJ
8. Uggla
 
clvclv said:
I'd think it's fairly obvious that Fredi's much more likely to stagger his lineups L/R (or R/L) and with "protection considerations" in mind (whether any of us personally believe they do or don't exist) rather than based on significant statistical data. While he does (IMO) at least consider the information he gets from our numbers guys much more than Bobby ever did, I definitely think it's a HUGE stretch to ever expect him to completely "change his spots" - he's an old school guy at the end of the day. Making sure he at least gets Freeman as many ABs as humanly possible should be considered a victory.
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L/R spliting isn't an old school thing. It's actually very new school because the LOOGY (the buster of multi-lefties in a row) is new school

Fredi is old school, never said he wasn't. But setting what Fredi may make the lineup and what it should be are different.

Honestly I see Fredi going with 2 lineups. Presume TLS makes the team. I think he goes either

Heyward
Justin
Freddie
Gattis
TLS
Johnson
Bossman
Simmons (last 2 are flippable)

Or

Heyward
Simmons
Freddie
Justin
Johnson
TLS
Gattis
Bossman

Hate the second, but I digress.

Of course Bossman could hit and you could go

Heyward
Bossman
Freddie
Justin
Johnson
TLS
Gattis
Simmons

The only lineup that's L/R split that makes sense is the first one I posted.

Best lineup assuming TLS is legit is

Heyward
TLS
Justin
Freddie
Gattis
Johnson (or flipped if you prefer)
Simmons
Bossman (same as Gattis/Johnson)

Bototm line is any lineup that doesn't have Jason, Justin, and Freddie in 1-4 is a bad one, really bad.
 
zitothebrave said:
L/R spliting isn't an old school thing. It's actually very new school because the LOOGY (the buster of multi-lefties in a row) is new school

Fredi is old school, never said he wasn't. But setting what Fredi may make the lineup and what it should be are different.

Honestly I see Fredi going with 2 lineups. Presume TLS makes the team. I think he goes either

Heyward
Justin
Freddie
Gattis
TLS
Johnson
Bossman
Simmons (last 2 are flippable)

Or

Heyward
Simmons
Freddie
Justin
Johnson
TLS
Gattis
Bossman

Hate the second, but I digress.

Of course Bossman could hit and you could go

Heyward
Bossman
Freddie
Justin
Johnson
TLS
Gattis
Simmons

The only lineup that's L/R split that makes sense is the first one I posted.

Best lineup assuming TLS is legit is

Heyward
TLS
Justin
Freddie
Gattis
Johnson (or flipped if you prefer)
Simmons
Bossman (same as Gattis/Johnson)

Bototm line is any lineup that doesn't have Jason, Justin, and Freddie in 1-4 is a bad one, really bad.
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I think we'd all LOVE for that to happen, and it would obviously be our best-case scenario for both our most productive and best balanced lineup. ANY opportunity to get something approaching the "old" B. J. going and surrounded by Freddie, Heyward, and Justin could become a really explosive lineup since they seem to feed off each other at times. Considering Fredi was OK with a lower OBP guy leading off going into last season, I'd absolutely love for the things B. J.'s working on to pay off and perch him at the top with Heyward behind him and let him run at will. Would it be completely optimal? Not likely unless B. J. suddenly starts drawing walks, but they were hoping Simba would partially morph into that kind of player once he saw what could come of those adjustments with those guys behind him.

B. J.
Heyward
Justin
Freeman
Gattis
La Stella
Johnson
Simmons

would be one of those really deep lineups that could score early and often when things click with nowhere to go for an easy out, as well as one that's tough on bullpens given Johnson's typical reverse-split success. One of those almost built for the postseason since one of those early unkempt innings could completely doom an opposing SP - a walk or two, and you're quickly down 3 or 4 runs before you've really even got a good sweat worked up.
 
If BJ can get back to career averages, it would be a big improvement for our lineup. He was very consistent from 2010-2012 before he got here, hitting between .237 and .246, with OPS's between .745 and .759, averaging 23 homers and 36 stolen bases. He is still only 29 years old so there is no reason to think he can't get back to those levels.

If he could hit .240 with 20-25 homers and 25-30 stolen bases, which should be very attainable for him, it would make our lineup so much more dangerous.
 
skillet said:
If BJ can get back to career averages, it would be a big improvement for our lineup. He was very consistent from 2010-2012 before he got here, hitting between .237 and .246, with OPS's between .745 and .759, averaging 23 homers and 36 stolen bases. He is still only 29 years old so there is no reason to think he can't get back to those levels.

If he could hit .240 with 20-25 homers and 25-30 stolen bases, which should be very attainable for him, it would make our lineup so much more dangerous.
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Agreed. A .750-ish OPS B. J. at the top could make our lineup an absolute nightmare for opposing staffs - 3 guys with the potential to swipe 30 bags in front of Freeman and Gattis would lead to lots of opportunities to put up crooked numbers.
 
clvclv said:
Agreed. A .750-ish OPS B. J. at the top could make our lineup an absolute nightmare for opposing staffs - 3 guys with the potential to swipe 30 bags in front of Freeman and Gattis would lead to lots of opportunities to put up crooked numbers.
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That is why I think BJ is one of the top 3 factors in how far we go next year.
 
I wasn't crazy about the Floyd deal when it happened but after thinking about it for a while and doing my research this could be a very good deal. Braves will still want to control Wood's innings. I'm thinking his limit is around 175 this season. Wood starts out the season in the rotation and then when Floyd is ready he sets in and Wood goes back to the pen and dominates making an already great Braves bullpen that much better. Sure the price for Floyd is a little more than I would have liked but it's not a bad signing by any means.

I didn't expect the Braves to do a lot this offseason so I'm not disappointed anything major has happened. I honestly think despite losing McCann and Hudson that the Braves will be even better this season if guys continue to develop and improve and we get anything from BJ and Uggla. I'm ready for Braves baseball in 2014. Let's go!
 
clvclv said:
You really want to complain about that???

The Yankees just spent $299 million and the back end of their rotation includes David Phelps, Pineda trying to return from much more serious shoulder surgery, and Adam Warren...AND their current Opening Day 2B and 3B are Brian Roberts and Kelly Johnson.

We have problems? Seriously???
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Not to mention they lost Pettitte and Rivera who were two of their best players and ended up getting older in the process. Think about that. Like basically every position player starter the Yankees have is 30 plus years old. A-Rod, Jeter and Tex are shells of what they used to be. Sabathia has been in steady decline the last few years. Yankees will be lucky to break .500 this year.

weso1 said:
I don't think it's a complete crapshoot. Because if all other things are equal but you've got Kershaw and Greinke as your one and two then you've got a better chance to win a 5 game series compared to other teams that don't have comparable starters. You've got to face the best pitcher in baseball twice then your chances aren't as good as the team that doesn't. It's not gauranteed by any means, but maybe more like 60/40.
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The Braves beat Grienke in game 2 and had Fredi not left Kimbrel sitting in the bullpen in the 8th inning would have beaten Kershaw in game 4 in a game started by Freddy Garcia. You don't need Kershaw/Grienke type pitchers to win in the playoffs. The Cardinals made it all the way to the World Series with Wainwright and a bunch of kids.
 
I know it's a very small sample size but Andrelton Simmons hit extremely well in the #2 slot last year so one of the lineup combinations I would try out in spring training would be with Simmons in the #2 hole.

1. Jason Heyward - L
2. Andrelton Simmons - R
3. Justin Upton - R
4. Freddie Freeman - L
5. Chris Johnson - R
6. Evan Gattis - R
7. B.J. Upton - R
8. Dan Uggla - R (I wish it was someone else like Tommy La Stella but it is what it is.)
 
AUTiger7222 said:
Not to mention they lost Pettitte and Rivera who were two of their best players and ended up getting older in the process. Think about that. Like basically every position player starter the Yankees have is 30 plus years old. A-Rod, Jeter and Tex are shells of what they used to be. Sabathia has been in steady decline the last few years. Yankees will be lucky to break .500 this year.

The Braves beat Grienke in game 2 and had Fredi not left Kimbrel sitting in the bullpen in the 8th inning would have beaten Kershaw in game 4 in a game started by Freddy Garcia. You don't need Kershaw/Grienke type pitchers to win in the playoffs. The Cardinals made it all the way to the World Series with Wainwright and a bunch of kids.
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I agree that you don't need them, but it helps your chances.
 
weso1 said:
I agree that you don't need them, but it helps your chances.
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It does. But I applaud Frank Wren for not paying the price to get Price. I seem to be higer on Alex Wood than any person on the plaent. I remember calling for him for months last year before he finally got called up and being called dumb over it. Alex Wood can be our David Price or even more Chris Sale IMO in a year or two. Also the way the scouts rave about Lucas Sims he's going to be a complete stud in a couple years too. Having a Price would be great but not at the expensive of giving up Sims and Wood. I wouldn't mind trading Bethancourt and Graham though. But Wood and Sims are keepers.
 
I feel the same way about Beachy.

Another couple guys really likes Teheran. Several like Minor. Others really like Medlen.

It's absurd. We are lousy with pitching. We don't need to make a deal unless its a steal.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
It does. But I applaud Frank Wren for not paying the price to get Price. I seem to be higer on Alex Wood than any person on the plaent. I remember calling for him for months last year before he finally got called up and being called dumb over it. Alex Wood can be our David Price or even more Chris Sale IMO in a year or two. Also the way the scouts rave about Lucas Sims he's going to be a complete stud in a couple years too. Having a Price would be great but not at the expensive of giving up Sims and Wood. I wouldn't mind trading Bethancourt and Graham though. But Wood and Sims are keepers.
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Like I've been saying for years now, the idea that you use young talented pitching as trading chips is absurd. I'm not saying you never trade pitching, but come on. Having an endless stream of stud young guys allows you to free up money elsewhere, but more importantly, it allows you to win. You can never have too much pitching and even when you think you do, you probably don't have enough.
 
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