No...That's when the offseason begins
Braves tidbits from the latest BA chat
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No...That's when the offseason begins
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I'm not sure what they plan on doing, but I think there's a possibility they will do that if they can. If Jace plays well enough to where he can hold the fort down in 2017 for a few months, then it would mean we have trade bait in Jace and an extra year of service time for Albies. It's all guessing until we know about the CBA
This just isn't true. You may disagree, and there are legitimate reasons to do so, but there are legitimate arguments on the other side as well.
This helps signal to the fan base that the rebuild is finally coming to the major league team. It potentially adds some interest to the end of this season. It allows Dansby to get comfortable in the majors ahead of next year. It also lets the FO know if he's ready so they can make decisions about next year's team, and next year's team is important to the team's finances and thus payroll, whether fans want to believe it or not.
The FO believes Dansby can handle the majors now. I assume they have reasons that support that belief. Again, you can disagree, that's fine. But it's not true that there are no reasons to bring him up or that it makes no sense on any level.
The fans who don't know who he is at this point are also not going to have any idea what his OPS is. If he makes some highlight-reel defensive plays, has some big hits, and gets marketed as though he's a future stud, they'll buy that in a heartbeat.
I would have kept him down, knowing what I know. But I also acknowledge that I don't know as much as they do and that there are reasons to support it as well. It's the 'this is moronic and there is no basis to support it' viewpoints I have to disagree with, so I guess that ends up making me look like a blind homer.
Also, purely as a fan, I love seeing Dansby in Atlanta. So kill me.
Also, hitting like Puig did didn't ultimately help Puig.
Every trade, roster movement, announcement, etc. is an invitation to a collective forum flake-out.
Southcack77
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Sending messages to the fans is an idiotic reason, IMO.
the only thing that halfway makes sense is that the Front Office had already decided he was starting the season in Atlanta next year, whether he was ready or not, and wanted to give him the best chance at getting his feet wet now when there are no stakes.
But I think that is probably not a good enough reason, especially with John Hart admitting that he wasn't ready, to do what they did.
From a business perspective, I would argue that is a less effective tactic. You were going to sell tickets for the park. You could have timed callup of Swanson for the second or third month when everyone had made their first trip to the park.
What I think is interesting is the the front office has promoted a player they didn't think is ready, which means the fan's first impression may be that he is not what was promised. So that could easily backfire pretty badly in far of perception given he is the perceived golden boy of the rebuild to so many people who don't follow minor leagues particularly closely.
I'm not a fan, which doesn't mean that he can't play a capable SS and be a decent player or better to finish the year. I just don't see the benefit, beyond experience going into next year. But probably better he'd mastered his level instead.
cajunrevenge
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Uh, mlb players have the best CBA in pro sports. No salary cap and guaranteed contracts. The only changes I expect are international draft and changing something about service time to stop teams from manipulating service time to get a 7th year.
That entirely depends on the new CBA. If the CBA stays similar with the way service time works then it's an extremely dumb move to bring him up, because we will lose a year of cheap control due to playing him in two seasons where we won't be a playoff team. If the CBA changes so that you have to keep a player down till August or something close then moving up Swanson right now won't be a big deal at all. It's much too soon to say on that till we see the results of the CBA agreement.
cajunrevenge
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Your looking at it as if we won't compete next year. Nothing we do will make sense to you because your on a different time table than the Braves. The only service time that changes by bringing him up is that he might be a super 2 and get an extra arbitration year.
Maybe you don't agree with the Braves time table but stop trying to make sense of what the Braves do in th e context of 2017 being a lost year.
Maybe you don't agree with the Braves time table but stop trying to make sense of what the Braves do in th e context of 2017 being a lost year.
And the extra year of arbitration either with or without Super 2 status could wind up being important. As much as I know many are just assuming an extension for him if we like him, that's not written in stone. We've had a number of players over the years that we would have liked to have seen extended at certain times such as Furcal, McCann when he became a FA, Heyward (to a 3-4 year extension deal like Freddie signed, not his FA deal, but obviously the Braves dodged a bullet there).
I'm going to judge the Braves moves based on what I see as a likely scenario, not what the FO thinks is going to happen. I see almost zero chance of a playoff team, and an unlikely chance of an above .500 team. Obviously you disagree since you are staking your baseball knowledge on us being above .500, but time will tell.