Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

NYCBrave said:
I know people are upset right now, but when you calm down and the smoke clears, a few things become evident.

Let's face it, we had to move Heyward. He wasn't re-signing here, and we weren't outbidding anyone for him on a long term deal.

I know we had dreams of getting a huge Teixera like haul from someone, but Heyward has 1 year left on his deal, and he hasn't lived up to his hitting potential yet. I think we're valuing him more than the league at this point.
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He also brings tremendous defense to the table and is a marketable star in Atlanta. Just because we had to trade him doesn't mean you just give him away. If he's not valued as much, why would the Cardinals want him for a year?
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
I'll bet my house that he did, and he just didn't sign a piece of paper. Then again, it's never a very good idea to bet your house with JS.

BUT I will guarentee

If the move works out and proves to be genius, JS was behind the move....and if doesn't....well his long-time friend Hart will be pushed aside like his long-time colleague Wren
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LOL, probably

Why was John Hart so highly touted by JS anyway? If he was so great, why wasn't he GMing a team already?
 
Jason Heyward is an impact defender but has really slipped offensively. Last 2 years: 25 HR, .400 SLG. Nate Schierholtz: 28 HR, .400 SLG - Not my thoughts....from Jayson Stark
 
One source says only Kimbrel, Simmons, and Freeman are safe (don't know why Teheran isn't listed there... we better keep him). Sounds like a firesale is happening this week. Gattis, Jupton, and CJ are gone I bet... I'm going to wait until this all plays out before I decide if I hate it. I'm also still holding out fools hope that maybe we can sign Heyward in FA
 
jpx7 said:
**** that guy. Seriously.
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In fairness, the wisdom of Hart's statement really depends on how we're defining "short term." If Hart is using a geological time frame, then it could well be true that we'll be better off by, say, 2025, which is definitely short term compared to the life of the Earth.
 
BJ#1FAN said:
Miller will be out with arm trouble by the break.

Cards will put Heyward in the middle if the order and he'll out produce Freddie.
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This is what every braves fan thinks will happen.

What if Heyward doesn't and miller excels here?? This is what cards fans are thinking.

I expect a wash. We got a pitcher with good potential for an of who's glove we will miss but can find someone to at least match his production for much cheaper.

Calm down. Good move Hart.
 
zbhargrove said:
One source says only Kimbrel, Simmons, and Freeman are safe (don't know why Teheran isn't listed there... we better keep him). Sounds like a firesale is happening this week. Gattis, Jupton, and CJ are gone I bet... I'm going to wait until this all plays out before I decide if I hate it. I'm also still holding out fools hope that maybe we can sign Heyward in FA
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I don't think Heyward is coming back, it is the long-shots of all long-shots.

North Dakota!
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
PLEASE GET RID OF BJ UPTON AND HIS CONTRACT AS HE IS THE ONE CAUSING ALL OF THIS **** TO GO DOWN
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He's definitely had a big impact but that's on Wren. BJ was never a great player to begin with. What Wren was thinking is beyond me. But lets face it, BJ's lack of doing a damn thing has definitely set things on a different course for the Bravos.
 
Tino25Dynasty said:
I don't get why we would go into rebuild mode anyway? We weren't that far off.... Just had a some underperforming players... Mostly on offense that needed to be shuffled. Otherwise, pitching was pretty good.

I hope John Schuerholz didn't sign off on this
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Our pitching WAS pretty good. But we have some major holes in our rotation and the front office seems convinced the farm system has no one who will help. And of course Schuerholz "signed off" on this, he's in charge.

Good idea, trade an expensive OF'r for cheap starting pitching but we didn't get enough especially when you toss in Walden. Why didn't we wait and make a better deal? Way too early in the off season to be dumping guys.
 
If we sign the package of Lester and Peavy (using money saved in the deal and using Minor to help unload BJ and his contract) this might make sense.

Lester
Teheran
Wood
Peavy
Miller

Otherwise, adding Miller doesn't even come close to making this a great rotation. And what I just outlined above is never going to happen, so...
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
I don't think Heyward is coming back, it is the long-shots of all long-shots.

North Dakota!
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Didn't say he was... I said it was a fools hope... still, we all thought Uggla was the best trade ever. What if Heyward never finds it and Miller does become an ace (he obviously has the potential... he was just as good a pitching prospect as Teheran and has shown plenty of potential)... I don't like the deal now but it has the potential to be better than we are making it out.
 
JUp to Seattle for Walker or Paxton. Who else from Seattle would even be an option?

I have to think Tomas is in play now. Who else is going to possibly be signed to play OF that fits into the 2017 picture?
 
stpeteirish said:
Our pitching WAS pretty good. But we have some major holes in our rotation and the front office seems convince the farm system has no one who will help. And of course Schuerholz "signed off" on this, he's in charge.

Good idea, trade an expensive OF'r for cheap starting pitching but we didn't get enough especially when you toss in Walden. Why didn't we wait and make a better deal? Way too early in the off season to be dumping guys.
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Maybe we value miller very highly? Didn't want to let this pass. I see what we are saying regarding Heyward, but I think we have overrated him big time...and he was one of my favs.
 
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