Braves trade Shreve and Carpenter for Manny Banuelos

I actually like it more than any move Hart has made this offseason, save the Winkler selection in the Rule V.

One of the better moves this off-season. I also like the Winkler selection and the Callaspo signing (not because he is a good option at second but because he gives us flexibility at third and indirectly at center by opening the option of Peraza playing there).

I also think the La Stella trade was a good one given the international slot money we picked up (a little over $800K). We signed eight players with that money. They appear to be Odalvi Javier (RHP), Bladimir Matos (RHP), Kelvin Rodrigues (LHP), Carlos Centeno (C), Jhoniel Sepulveda (RHP), German Alonso (INF), Jhonny Diaz (LHP) and Leudys Baez (OF).

It will be interesting to see if any of them pan out.

A big theme this off-season has been building minor league depth. That's all well and good. But at the end of the day it will all be for naught if none of the minor leaguers we've picked up this off-season pan out.
 
Yep. Definitely his best trade so far.

Agreed 100%! I really liked this trade and would do more like it any day of the week. But that isn't to say I didn't like Shreve because I did. I just like Man-Ban's potential quite a bit more. Plus Carpenter had no future here past this year anyway because he'll begin to get too costly next year.
 
The more and more I think about the Braves without Justin and Jason, the less I want to get excited over anything, but bottom line is this : John Hart has now landed us some impressive young arms that could turn into aces for us. We arent going to be down for long at all. Pitching wins championships, and Hart knows this, and he is making the right moves to get make us a pitching rich organization again.

Banuelos was a great pickup. If he stays healthy, big IF, then he will be a stud for us.
 
If Banuelos pans out for us we could have a pretty impressive rotation. Teheran/Wood/Miller/Minor/Banuelos. Could be nasty.

With guys like Hale, Sims, Jenkins, Fried (i know hes not ready), Hursh in the waiting.
 
The Braves are likely hoping he'll be fully healthy and ready to join the rotation in 2016 if not sometime this year, esp. since this is his last year with a minor league option. This would also set up moving Mike Minor at hopefully a better point than coming off a season where injury seemed to largely lead to an overall down year. So if Man-Ban pans out he would likely be replacing Mike Minor in 2016 if not earlier.

To sum it up, the best case is that Man-Ban pans out and gives us a solid lefty to replace lefty Mike Minor in the rotation. While Mike Minor has a bounce back year and is sold high rather than low at some point.
 
The Braves are likely hoping he'll be fully healthy and ready to join the rotation in 2016 if not sometime this year, esp. since this is his last year with a minor league option. This would also set up moving Mike Minor at hopefully a better point than coming off a season where injury seemed to largely lead to an overall down year. So if Man-Ban pans out he would likely be replacing Mike Minor in 2016 if not earlier.

To sum it up, the best case is that Man-Ban pans out and gives us a solid lefty to replace lefty Mike Minor in the rotation. While Mike Minor has a bounce back year and is sold high rather than low at some point.

Agreed. I think our best bet is MB working out and developing into a solid starter with Minor regaining his old form. If that happens along with normal progression from Sims and Jenkins we'll be in a position to deal Minor for offense.
 
Agreed. I think our best bet is MB working out and developing into a solid starter with Minor regaining his old form. If that happens along with normal progression from Sims and Jenkins we'll be in a position to deal Minor for offense.

Exactly. That is the best case IMO too.
 
Love this trade. Liked the Heyward deal but not the Upton one, but this is exactly the kind of move I think we ought to be making. High upside and while Shreve is a loss, he's fungible for this organization's penchant for churning out quality relievers either up the ranks or via waiver claims (see, e.g., Carpenter).
 
Love this trade. Liked the Heyward deal but not the Upton one, but this is exactly the kind of move I think we ought to be making. High upside and while Shreve is a loss, he's fungible for this organization's penchant for churning out quality relievers either up the ranks or via waiver claims (see, e.g., Carpenter).

And it makes a hell-of-a-lot of sense if you believe (as I do) that the Braves really don't have (or shouldn't have) any pretense of contending next season.
 
The more I read about Banuelos, the more this seems like a decent deal.

I remembered him dominating us in Spring Training a few years back and all the hype surrounding him. He showed two plus pitches in that game and potentially a third plus pitch IMO. So hopefully he is back healthy now and can get back to that level again.

That said, I was also surprised the Yankees moved on from him for just a couple bullpen arms.
 
From Keith Law:

The Yankees are overhauling their bullpen the right way. They've only spent money on one outside reliever, Andrew Miller, a high-risk guy due to lack of track record but who was among the best in baseball in 2014, and are building the rest of their bullpen with cheaper guys to create more depth from the right and left sides. Yesterday's trade of Manny Banuelos for David Carpenter and Chasen Shreve adds to that depth.

Carpenter was one of many shrewd waiver claims by Atlanta over the last few years, coming off a terrible year in 2012 with the Blue Jays, only to provide Atlanta with two great years of relief work, 126 innings with a 2.88 FIP/2.63 ERA, for about $1 million total. Carpenter sits around 95-96 mph with an above-average slider and is particularly deadly against right-handed batters. He's now eligible for arbitration for the first time, making it the right moment for Atlanta to move him and for the Yankees to pick him up.

The more intriguing name coming to the Bronx is Shreve, who now gives the Yanks three power lefties in their bullpen along with Miller and Justin Wilson. Shreve reached the majors last year and works with an average fastball (90-93 mph) and slider, fringe-average split-change and outstanding control. He changed his approach in 2014, airing it out rather than trying to hit his spots, with much better results across the board, including better strike throwing. He's got a chance for three average pitches, and a lefty who can do that and fill up the strike zone is going to have a long career in the majors.

This trade has the Harlem River overflowing its banks with relievers, and the Yankees could try to stretch out someone like Wilson or maybe Adam Warren as a starter, although Warren's stuff as a starter never missed enough bats across his two years in Triple-A. It also frees up the team to trade some of its other relievers who might be squeezed out of major league roster spots, like Bryan Mitchell or the human eggshell Jose Ramirez, who's very talented but hits the disabled list if someone looks at him funny.

In return for two relievers they didn't need, Atlanta gets back Banuelos, a former top prospect whose stock has dropped after he missed two years due to elbow surgery and other arm issues. Banuelos did pitch in 2014 but with slightly reduced stuff, just 90-92 mph when I saw him in June, with an above-average to plus changeup, fringy curveball and inconsistent cutter. He'll turn 24 in March, and the Yankees handled him very carefully in 2014, keeping his pitch counts low, allowing him to make almost every start for five months without a serious setback. Atlanta should roll him back out there again as a starter in Triple-A and see if he regains any more velocity as he gets stronger and further away from the surgery. Right now, however, he looks like a fourth or fifth starter, and I think the deal works for Atlanta only if he returns to something like his pre-injury form.
 
I like this trade but we shouldn't play down what we gave up.

I don't see giving up Carpenter as much at all, easy to replace and he'd been gone after this year anyway. Shreve is the only real loss here IMO and worth it given the potential that Man-Ban brings to the table. While the media among others will talk as if Carpenter is the headliner I believe Shreve will be the one having more success in the future.
 
I like this trade but we shouldn't play down what we gave up.

We gave up a guy we picked up off waivers, and Shreve.

Unless you think Shreve is the next Rivera, this was a good deal to make.
 
From Keith Law:
Banuelos did pitch in 2014 but with slightly reduced stuff, just 90-92 mph when I saw him in June

He was hitting 94 mph again no problem late last season according to reports, but he may have been averaging 90-92 mph when Law saw him pitch in June. The main concern as I recall had to do with his control, but sometimes that takes longer to come back after TJS. Hopefully he'll get back on track with us because if so I really like his potential.
 
We gave up a guy we picked up off waivers, and Shreve.

Unless you think Shreve is the next Rivera, this was a good deal to make.

No one thinks that Shreve is the next Rivera but some believe he could turn into a dominate lefty reliever similar to EOF. Which is very high praise IMO. If that happens and Man-Ban busts for whatever reason then the Braves would end up losing this trade. But it is still a trade you make every day given our bullpen depth, our rebuild situation and the potential Man-Ban brings to the table.
 
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