nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Jason Schmidt is the other one who went on to become an ace. But he took a long time to develop, so we didn't lose much in terms of production foregone during the pre-free agent years.
Bravos acquire C-Doumit from Twins for Gilmartin.
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Jason Schmidt is the other one who went on to become an ace. But he took a long time to develop, so we didn't lose much in terms of production foregone during the pre-free agent years.
steveAKAslick
Mashin' to Mississippi
True, had totally forgot about Schmidt...at the time Feliz and Harrison seemed like mistakes, especially with the Tex rental and not resigning, but now not so much
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Here's an interesting article about Doumit written about a year ago. It helps to quantify his defensive shortcomings. I think he's a good acquisition, but the less he plays behind the plate the better.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-sabermetric-revolution-as-applied-to-ryan-doumit/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-sabermetric-revolution-as-applied-to-ryan-doumit/
Dunit24
Awaiting a Promotion
Great addition IMO. After signing Gamel, I was afraid we were going to go with what we had, but now that we throw Doumit in the mix as the 3rd catcher, it gives Fredi the freedom once again to use Gattis as a PH if he doesnt start. I like Doumit when he was with Pittsburgh. He is going to be a good weapon to have off the bench.
This response is baffling. A guy in Gilmartin who's gotten lit up in the minors, never thrown a pitch in the majors, and has below average stuff. What good is a cost controlled pitcher that isn't any good?
Best case scenario is a 5th starter but he's most likely a long reliever or situational lefty. You realize righties hit .331 against him this year.
Are you really putting that much stock in the numbers of a guy with 285 minor league innings? Don't be daft, now.
- He's 23.
- He's cost-controlled.
- He's a lefty.
I'm not saying he's going to be a productive major league pitcher, but trading him for a 33 year old defensively iffy $3.4MM bench bat (going into his FA year) is not a particularly eye-popping return. Especially in terms of value alone.
What exactly do you think Gilmartin should have gotten us?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Or alternatively how much value does a minor league prospect not in the Top 200 of minor league prospects generate on average?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I never said you said Gilmartin was destined for stardom.
My point, again, was that Gilmartins are a dime a dozen. We've had lot of guys with his potential/ceiling, a lot of teams have. For the most part, guys like him do not pan out. Guys like him overwhelmingly don't pan out. A small percentage end up productive, the majority end up doing very little: back end guys for a couple seasons, long relievers, lefty specialists, etc. That is the likely route for Gilmartin.
Also, it's FeliZ, and he probably could not have been a starter, looking at the arm troubles he's had as a reliever.
In a package with another fringy-type, a player with a semblance of legitimacy as a catcher, controlled for more than a year (preferably at a more reasonable price). I don't wholly dislike Doumit, his bat speaks for itself -- but I think Wren could've probably done better.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
A few people have referenced that fact that Doumit will be a FA after this year as a bad thing. I think it's a good thing. In a FA he might be trying to land another job, and we aren't committed to him next year. I would love one year of solid production out of him on our bench.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
We don't really need him for his catching. We wanted him for his bat. You probably were not going to find a better bench bat for Gilmartin alone. Gilmartin is of little value.
I highly doubt MLB teams look at prospect lists compiled by individuals who generally lack any professional scouting experience.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Even if they don't, it provides insight to a guy's talent. Gilmartin simply has a low ceiling.
Maybe so, but why not wait until Spring Training when there is generally a plethora of Doumit-types made available, or bargain hunt with FAs just looking to latch on a major league roster?
It's not as though bench bats are incredibly hard to find, IMO.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Just curious, what bench bat do you anticipate will be available that has the upside or likliness to produce of Doumit?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'd be curious if you could produce a list of easily available bench bats who project to have a .750 or so OPS in 2014.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Good article, I read it back when it came out. Now with Doumit in the fold we have two of the worst pitch framers in MLB (probably the worst in Doumit's case). But hopefully he won't catch much at all for the sake of our pitchers. They'll have a hard enough time with Laird catching more and his poor pitch framing (Laird was among the worst again last year). Thankfully Gattis is above average at it, though he's not as good at it as Mac and David Ross. They're basically as good as you'll find in that area.
That said, I like the power potential off the bench Doumit brings. Plus having another switch hitter is good too.
It really depends on what you are looking for. Does the bench player have to have played catcher at one time? I don't want to see Doumit behind the plate, but I do like the idea of having a 3rd catcher.
Would Kevin Youkilis be a bad move? Him and Doumit likely project as similar hitters, but Youkilis could backup at 1B and 3B.
Jeff Baker?
Do you think Gilmartin solo would net Youkilis? The thing about Youk is he was just a starter a few years ago putting up big numbers, so any GM that's trying to get him has to understand Youk's current GM is going to use that as leverage for talks. The potential of Youk regaining his old form and producing like old is far better than your average bench utility guy.
Do you think Gilmartin solo would net Jeff Baker?
Youk is a FA.