Braves1976
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I am surprised Bell lasted as long as he did, he wasn't good even in the minors. He got called up and sent back down quick too not long ago.
Bryse Wilson
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I am surprised Bell lasted as long as he did, he wasn't good even in the minors. He got called up and sent back down quick too not long ago.
Southcack77
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I have a feeling that Wilson’s approach is going to lead to growing pains and he’s had basically no time to adjust to pitchers adjusting to him.
Little worried about that.
Little worried about that.
4maddux_cy's
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Yeah, because making comments like that should be ok on the forum. I mean, why be so rude?!?!
Tapate50
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Love the steady diet of fastballs from Wilson. Moved it around pretty good, with solid command. The velo looked solid as well, having hitters off balance most of the night. I'd like to see more velo diff from the FB to Change, but that's nitpicking most likely. I can see where he gets that "bulldog" moniker from. Stocky build, lot of fastballs. Wants to come right at you instead of trying to pick a spot with a breaking ball to start.
Southcack77
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Deester11
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A lot of things get distorted depending on a scouts time to see a prospect. He did exactly what I said he was about. FB, FB. Enough offspeed to keep hitters from squaring him up. That’s Bryse.
Bravesfannchar
Arizona Fall Leaguer
How’d the stat cast data look on Wilson, last night?
Anxious to see myself. Stuff definitely looked like it will play. Fastball maintained velocity all night. Threw a couple really nasty sliders and some pretty good changeups, although didn’t locate the change as well as he needs too IMO. All in all there was a lot there to work with.
UNCBlue012
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Absolutely agree. He's the type of pitcher who could be successful both in a starting role and in the bullpen. I think he'd be a perfect long-relief pitching this year. He and Touki can mix-and-match starts all while keeping the pen fresh.
especially since Sam Freeman is back
You learn to just ignore him. Funny how he kept his mouth shut when Waters was tearing it up prior to his promotion - now that he's having to adjust to a new level his numbers have taken a hit (like almost every player's do following promotions) and he wants to scream "look at me I was right" (until he adjusts, of course).
I was wowed, honestly. His pitches will all play up because he's got the potential for plus command. Pitchability is there, changeup looks good. The slider might not wow you, but he can really locate it. I am not trading him or Touki. I was against trading Gohara, but if someone values him as a potential TOR guy then I move him.
Wilson showed a 3 pitch mix last night: FA (62), SL (13), CH (12). As per EL's latest in person report, Wilson pounded the upper half of the zone with his FA to good effect.
FA: 95.1 mph (Grade 58.5), 4.9" HMov (Grade 48.6), 8.6" VMov (Grade 46.0)
In EL's latest report he said, "touched 97 several times last night and sat 93-95 late in the outing. He pounded the zone with his fastball (72 of 98 pitches were for strikes) and blew it past several hitters up above the strike zone". He was 100% spot on. This is plus velocity with just enough movement to keep it from being flat, resulting in a 55/60 pitch that plays as a 60 when located up like it was last night.
SL: 82.7 mph (Grade 41.8), 3.2" HMov (Grade 53.6), -0.2" VMov (Grade 58.4)
EL said, "His slider flashes plus but is mostly average and is only capable of missing bats when it’s out of the zone". It showed as a 55 last night.
CH: 8.3 mph delta (Grade 52.7), 9.4" HMov (Grade 62.2), 2.7" VMov (Grade 58.9)
According to EL, "Wilson’s changeup is fringey and firm, without much bat-missing movement, but the velocity separation off of the fastball is enough to keep hitters from squaring it up, and it’s going to be an effective pitch". I agree with the part about it being an effective pitch, but I disagree with the part about it not having movement. The CH objectively has plus movement, and grades out as a 55/60 pitch overall.
Command: EL wrote, "Wilson’s delivery is much more graceful and fluid than it was when he was in high school, when scouts thought it would impact his ability to command the fastball and possibly move him to the bullpen". We saw him walk 3 in 5 IP, which is certainly not ideal, but we also saw him continually pound the upper portion of the zone with the FA. His 32.2% Zone% is below MLB average of 43%, so I agree with FG's assessment of 45 for his present control grade.
So we have a 20 year old arm with a 55/60 FA, 55 SL, 55/60 CH, and just enough control to make it all work. That's a solid #4 that produces 2+ wins annually who climbs the ladder as his control improves. His young age and rapid improvement at the MiLB level suggests average control is well within reason, which would make him a nice #3 while the plus velocity allows him to work up in the zone.
I think that's the deal with Wilson...as soon as the velocity declines enough that the FA can't work up in the zone, he is likely a back end or AAAA SP. He is almost completely reliant on beating batters up in the zone with that plus velocity, and without it he's basically Sims/Wisler. I would suggest not extending him, and looking to trade him the moment signs of velocity loss appear.
FA: 95.1 mph (Grade 58.5), 4.9" HMov (Grade 48.6), 8.6" VMov (Grade 46.0)
In EL's latest report he said, "touched 97 several times last night and sat 93-95 late in the outing. He pounded the zone with his fastball (72 of 98 pitches were for strikes) and blew it past several hitters up above the strike zone". He was 100% spot on. This is plus velocity with just enough movement to keep it from being flat, resulting in a 55/60 pitch that plays as a 60 when located up like it was last night.
SL: 82.7 mph (Grade 41.8), 3.2" HMov (Grade 53.6), -0.2" VMov (Grade 58.4)
EL said, "His slider flashes plus but is mostly average and is only capable of missing bats when it’s out of the zone". It showed as a 55 last night.
CH: 8.3 mph delta (Grade 52.7), 9.4" HMov (Grade 62.2), 2.7" VMov (Grade 58.9)
According to EL, "Wilson’s changeup is fringey and firm, without much bat-missing movement, but the velocity separation off of the fastball is enough to keep hitters from squaring it up, and it’s going to be an effective pitch". I agree with the part about it being an effective pitch, but I disagree with the part about it not having movement. The CH objectively has plus movement, and grades out as a 55/60 pitch overall.
Command: EL wrote, "Wilson’s delivery is much more graceful and fluid than it was when he was in high school, when scouts thought it would impact his ability to command the fastball and possibly move him to the bullpen". We saw him walk 3 in 5 IP, which is certainly not ideal, but we also saw him continually pound the upper portion of the zone with the FA. His 32.2% Zone% is below MLB average of 43%, so I agree with FG's assessment of 45 for his present control grade.
So we have a 20 year old arm with a 55/60 FA, 55 SL, 55/60 CH, and just enough control to make it all work. That's a solid #4 that produces 2+ wins annually who climbs the ladder as his control improves. His young age and rapid improvement at the MiLB level suggests average control is well within reason, which would make him a nice #3 while the plus velocity allows him to work up in the zone.
I think that's the deal with Wilson...as soon as the velocity declines enough that the FA can't work up in the zone, he is likely a back end or AAAA SP. He is almost completely reliant on beating batters up in the zone with that plus velocity, and without it he's basically Sims/Wisler. I would suggest not extending him, and looking to trade him the moment signs of velocity loss appear.
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ball4life32
Danville Rookie
“When I asked the three members of the Mississippi Braves traveling party last week who they would not trade if Alex Anthopoulous asked who to keep, all three said Touki Toussaint and Bryse Wilson.“
“Bryse Wilson was great in High-A (0.34 ERA in 3 GS) Florida & then went to Double-A & struggled (gave up 17 ER in 11 IP in a 3-game stretch). He walked into the coach's office & more or less said, "I need help for the first time in my career." He got it & made the adjustments.”
“Bryse Wilson was great in High-A (0.34 ERA in 3 GS) Florida & then went to Double-A & struggled (gave up 17 ER in 11 IP in a 3-game stretch). He walked into the coach's office & more or less said, "I need help for the first time in my career." He got it & made the adjustments.”
is it not possible that a guy with wilson's stuff keeps making adjustments to continue to be successful?