Building an ACCEPTABLE offense

50PoundHead said:
I think the question maybe next year (and for sure in 2016) is Peraza v. La Stella. La Stella's a nice player, but he's not an impact guy. Peraza is a potential impact guy. I wouldn't be surprised if they try Peraza at another position (I don't think La Stella can play another position because they probably would have tried him somewhere else already). Just my thoughts.
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How do you know La Stella isn't an "impact" guy? IF he can get on base at a 38% clip, I'd call that impact. You will score runs if a guy is on base that much. He's someone that has earned a spot in the lineup. No question. And he's just a rookie.
 
yeezus said:
How do you know La Stella isn't an "impact" guy? IF he can get on base at a 38% clip, I'd call that impact. You will score runs if a guy is on base that much. He's someone that has earned a spot in the lineup. No question. And he's just a rookie.
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By impact I mean consistent > .800 OPS or in the absence of that, sterling defense and/or a ton of stolen basis. I like La Stella, but that's not him.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think the question maybe next year (and for sure in 2016) is Peraza v. La Stella. La Stella's a nice player, but he's not an impact guy. Peraza is a potential impact guy. I wouldn't be surprised if they try Peraza at another position (I don't think La Stella can play another position because they probably would have tried him somewhere else already). Just my thoughts.
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You don't always need impact guys. Looks at teams like the Red Sox last year and Cardinals every year. Yes, you need your big impact bats but they need to be surrounded by solid bats. This team has badly needed high contact avg/obp hitters and La Stella is a perfect fit for us. Peraza fills a huge need for us. Im definitely not saying Peraza is ready but next year eventually have a 1/2 of Peraza/La Stella will be incredible.
 
emk418 said:
You don't always need impact guys. Looks at teams like the Red Sox last year and Cardinals every year. Yes, you need your big impact bats but they need to be surrounded by solid bats. This team has badly needed high contact avg/obp hitters and La Stella is a perfect fit for us. Peraza fills a huge need for us. Im definitely not saying Peraza is ready but next year eventually have a 1/2 of Peraza/La Stella will be incredible.
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I don't disagree, but the point of my post is La Stella's ceiling is what I would call "solid." Peraza's ceiling is what I call "special." If Peraza can't move to another position, we have a logjam on our hands and "special" likely trumps "solid."
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't disagree, but the point of my post is La Stella's ceiling is what I would call "solid." Peraza's ceiling is what I call "special." If Peraza can't move to another position, we have a logjam on our hands and "special" likely trumps "solid."
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I agree that Peraza has a higher ceiling. But, TLS has proven he deserves a spot in a major league lineup. We'd have to find a way to get them both in there. TLS has earned it.
 
I love Peraza as a prospect, but the one thing that concerns me with him is his low walk rate. His high AVG/OBP right now is being propelled by an unsustainable BABIP. He has cut his walk rate from the previous year in half this year. It was 6.7% last year. This year, it is 3.3% in high A and 3.6% in AA ball. My concern is that when his BABIP trends down, he will end up being a .280 AVG/.320 OBP guy going forward, which is decent but not lead off material.

In comparison with Tommy La Stella, Tommy is just one of those guys that has a great eye at the plate and strong plate discipline. Because of this, he is going to be able to maintain his ability to get on base. He may not strike fear in opponents with his power or his speed, but he is very good at getting on base. With a little more doubles power, he will be a consistent .800 OPS guy.

Sometimes, I think fans overvalue power, size, and speed, and undervalue strong plate discipline and good bat control.
 
KB21 said:
I love Peraza as a prospect, but the one thing that concerns me with him is his low walk rate. His high AVG/OBP right now is being propelled by an unsustainable BABIP. He has cut his walk rate from the previous year in half this year. It was 6.7% last year. This year, it is 3.3% in high A and 3.6% in AA ball. My concern is that when his BABIP trends down, he will end up being a .280 AVG/.320 OBP guy going forward, which is decent but not lead off material.

In comparison with Tommy La Stella, Tommy is just one of those guys that has a great eye at the plate and strong plate discipline. Because of this, he is going to be able to maintain his ability to get on base. He may not strike fear in opponents with his power or his speed, but he is very good at getting on base. With a little more doubles power, he will be a consistent .800 OPS guy.

Sometimes, I think fans overvalue power, size, and speed, and undervalue strong plate discipline and good bat control.
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I doubt La Stella will ever be a consistent .800 OPS guy. That said, I think he's a good player. The question is going to be whether or not Peraza can play another position.
 
KB21 said:
I love Peraza as a prospect, but the one thing that concerns me with him is his low walk rate. His high AVG/OBP right now is being propelled by an unsustainable BABIP. He has cut his walk rate from the previous year in half this year. It was 6.7% last year. This year, it is 3.3% in high A and 3.6% in AA ball. My concern is that when his BABIP trends down, he will end up being a .280 AVG/.320 OBP guy going forward, which is decent but not lead off material.

In comparison with Tommy La Stella, Tommy is just one of those guys that has a great eye at the plate and strong plate discipline. Because of this, he is going to be able to maintain his ability to get on base. He may not strike fear in opponents with his power or his speed, but he is very good at getting on base. With a little more doubles power, he will be a consistent .800 OPS guy.

Sometimes, I think fans overvalue power, size, and speed, and undervalue strong plate discipline and good bat control.
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Someone else feel free to chime in , but reading the blurbs about Peraza it seems he beats out a lot of infield grounders. I say that to insinuate that his BABIP will probably be high his entire career. Please correct me if I'm wrong .
 
Tapate50 said:
Someone else feel free to chime in , but reading the blurbs about Peraza it seems he beats out a lot of infield grounders. I say that to insinuate that his BABIP will probably be high his entire career. Please correct me if I'm wrong .
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The speed will definitely help his BABIP. But if you look at his BABIP numbers over the years, you'll see that this year he is enjoying especially high numbers. Realistically, he can at best sustain a BABIP of around .350, which would be quite good. Not the .380 he's posted this year.

The other thing to note is he has a low strikeout rate. Which will help keep him from going through the kinds of slumps and inconsistency that some of our players (mostly the high strikeout guys) seem prone to.
 
By batting him leadoff you take one less bat out of the middle to drive guys in!! BJ is doing well at the top compared to anywhere else he has hit. Jason is made for the 5 hole. Need somebody with legit HR power behind Justin, Heyward fits that bill.
 
In a fantasy scenario it would be nice if Peraza learned on the fly how to at least play LF(like Gattis) and maybe even CF to get Heyward back to RF. Replace BJ with him and platoon Johnson(kills lefties but not much else) with Kubitza. You cut down on the K's with Peraza getting BJ's abs, Kubitza gets a lot of walks and does everything better than CJ and they both bring more speed to the lineup with Peraza completely replacing Upton's speed and then some. And Kubitza's scouting report says he has good range and a great arm so at worst solid defense at 3B sure would be a huge upgrade that our pitching staff would appreciate.
 
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