Absolutely, you trade him when you have 3 other TOR guys and he is if trade value. We currently do not have thise other guys.
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Absolutely, you trade him when you have 3 other TOR guys and he is if trade value. We currently do not have thise other guys.
But if someone is ok trading Teheran after 2018, why on earth would they be so against trading him now? He will still be cheap in 2019 and 2020, and we're not going to truly compete for anything in 2017. You could argue that we may be a contender in 2018 and need him in the rotation, but that's a very small window to be so adamant about it.
I'm perfectly ok trading Teheran after 2018. I'm also perfectly ok trading him now.
I'm perfectly ok trading Teheran after 2018. I'm also perfectly ok trading him now.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
But we don't need three TOR guys today. At least not to keep. You could Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz in their primes on this team and not make the playoffs. The rest of the team isn't ready. You have to make them ready. Your options are to trade 2-4 for 1 to get a competent ML player back OR you have to sign FA or a combination while you hang on to your 3 TOR guys who are getting tired of losing and are getting more expensive and under less control every day. Or you can trade a guy to build for a day when the stars line up better.
It just seems bizarre to me that you would be ok trading him after 2018 because you're projecting Newcomb and Sims to be TOR starters but are not ok trading him now even though you can make the same projection about them.
Or are you just saying that you might be ok trading Teheran after 2018? I'm just confused. It seems weird to say that we shouldn't trade him now because we don't know what our prospects will be but then say that you want to trade him after 2018 because we should be fine with the prospects we have.
Also, I disagree with this. I understand it in theory, and I'm ok with doing it in certain circumstances, but that's crazy as a flat rule. You're never ok extending a pitcher? Or making a 2-year run with a guy while you're a contender? That just seems like a good way to limit the ceiling of your team on an ongoing basis.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
You trade Julio for a high return if it's offered. If it isn't on the market you don't trade him.
If the Pirates offer Austin Meadows, Ke'Bryan Hayes and a few high upside pitching prospects, would you honestly say no?
Braves should go nuclear.
If the Pirates offer Austin Meadows, Ke'Bryan Hayes and a few high upside pitching prospects, would you honestly say no?
Braves should go nuclear.
What the. I would be surprised if we could get Meadows alone. And I might do it.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Meadows alone no. Meadows and Hayes is a push, but I want to win the trade. Throw in another Mitch Keller and I do it. Don't think the Pirates do something like that with us or any other team, because it seems to me they play a long game designed to keep their competitive window open as long as possible. The Pirates have a really smart front office. Doesn't mean they don't make mistakes, but they has a consistent long-term philosophy. They are my second-favorite team these days.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Me too, my point is that you can't just say don't t rade Julio. Desperate Pirates may be willing to trade their arguable top prospect and another good one
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
When the Pirates offered Bobby Cox a trade involving Barry Bonds, he wanted to win the trade too.
I want good value for Teheran. Future WAR is arbitrary since it is projecting the future. So, totaling up "excess value" and future WAR presupposes that the future will follow a formula. And while I do think you have to be prepared to forecast, you should never lose sight that it IS just a forecast.
Southcack77
Well-known member
knowing this might make me a Luddite, but I agree that calculating up projected WAR doesn't make much sense to me as any sort of objective trade measure. After its all done, maybe, but projected seems like a very false confidence. I'm not sure that is how front offices are calculating trade value...maybe see are...but I don't think that's really how I would go about building a squad, which is much more about timing and fits and the like.
I'm also not very high on defensive metrics while I am confessing.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I hate that about WAR too. These projection systems for prospects are a joke.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
i hate to break this to you but any evaluation of trades involves some sort of projection of future performance
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
feel free to go with your gut then...as a gm in the southwest seems to like to
I really think LaRussa was very influential with Shelby coming to AZ.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
he also has a gut
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Did you miss the last sentence?
Probably was out drinking again when he told Stewart to make the trade.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
i read the whole post