Buy low on McCutchen?

nsacpi said:
We'll see. I'd rather have a scenario where we get "Kemp minus Markakis" than Freese.
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Really no reason we can't have both there I suppose.

Still can't believe we didn't trade Nick last offseason when we had a chance. So dumb.
 
auyushu said:
I'll be extremely surprised if Prado gets 4 years or a QO, I don't see the Marlins of all people risking that kinda money on him (particularly since I don't see anyone signing him if he has a QO). I agree on Turner, and Desmond will definitely have a QO. Desmond I could see from 4 or 5 years really.

I'd much rather have Freese for 2 years than be stuck with Kemp for the next 3.
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I'd much rather see a Garcia/Beckham platoon at third and give Ruiz an opportunity to show he is more than he appears to be than sign a Prado, Freese or any of those type guys who aren't going to move the win needle by 2 games. Paying any of those guys $5-$10M per year, whether for 1 year or worse four, doesn't really do anything for the team. The team needs difference makers and these guys aren't that. Problem is that there are no (or few) difference makers in this years FA market who are a fit.

Signing Prado or Freese or Turner would be like waiting until 2 o'clock closing time at the bar and deciding to take home whatever you can get as the lights are turned off and the doors close... They aren't Miss Right but they are Miss Right Now. Then you wake up with a hangover the next morning, wondering how you're going to move this creature out the door, hoping no one sees, and suddenly you get a call from the hot chick across the hall wanting to come over for a cup of coffee....
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I'd much rather see a Garcia/Beckham platoon at third and give Ruiz an opportunity to show he is more than he appears to be than sign a Prado, Freese or any of those type guys who aren't going to move the win needle by 2 games. Paying any of those guys $5-$10M per year, whether for 1 year or worse four, doesn't really do anything for the team. The team needs difference makers and these guys aren't that. Problem is that there are no (or few) difference makers in this years FA market who are a fit.

Signing Prado or Freese or Turner would be like waiting until 2 o'clock closing time at the bar and deciding to take home whatever you can get as the lights are turned off and the doors close... They aren't Miss Right but they are Miss Right Now. Then you wake up with a hangover the next morning, wondering how you're going to move this creature out the door, hoping no one sees, and suddenly you get a call from the hot chick across the hall wanting to come over for a cup of coffee....
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invite her over and have both...

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auyushu said:
That's not what I meant. If he was average defensively, he wouldn't have the horrible numbers he has defensively because being average away and bad at home would make him simply below average. But he hasn't been below average in his career, he's been absolutely terrible in his career. He has a negative 11 DRS in 450 innings or so of LF play, I think that's enough for me to say that's not going to be average there. Those numbers match up with how terrible he has been everywhere in the OF. He's also heading into his early 30s and is likely to get worse defensively, not better.

And sure, Inciarte can help some, but he would still be a huge hole out there.
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Again, it isn't his fault he was played at those positions. These teams knew he wasn't good defensively in these positions but they kept playing him there. He's actually been closer to below average than terrible most years.

450 innings is 50 games. And no they do not match up whatsoever. On a 162 game average, he would rate significantly higher at both RF and CF than he would in LF. That's ridiculous to try and take any info whatsoever from a 50 game sample spaced out over 2 years, and one of the years was 10 years ago in 2006.
 
auyushu said:
I saw multiple articles on the Baltimore being interested but we said he wasn't available last offseason. Perhaps they were BS, who knows I guess.

One comment from Gammons for example:

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/3/1/11140294/orioles-rumors-nick-markakis-braves
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admitting you made a mistake in signing him is a hard thing to do... and trading him one year after a 4 year deal would be admitting that. Shame, because Neck is going to be worthless the next 2 years.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
admitting you made a mistake in signing him is a hard thing to do... and trading him one year after a 4 year deal would be admitting that. Shame, because Neck is going to be worthless the next 2 years.
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Letting pride get in the way of making the right move is a really bad trait in a leader. And unfortunately you're probably right that it played a big role there, and on him being worthless the next two years.
 
Enscheff said:
Or, we can pay attention during the offseason:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/duquette-orioles-fowler-markakis-trade-interest.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/...-bruce-mcleod-fernandez-lincecum-reddick.html

I got bored of copying links after these 2, but there are many more.

Yes, the Braves could have unloaded Markakis.
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For what? Eating how much of the remaining salary? The links you provide don't say much at all, but draw any conclusion from them that you'd like.
 
Enscheff said:
Or, we can pay attention during the offseason:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/duquette-orioles-fowler-markakis-trade-interest.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/...-bruce-mcleod-fernandez-lincecum-reddick.html

I got bored of copying links after these 2, but there are many more.

Yes, the Braves could have unloaded Markakis.
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also: please cite where I stated we couldn't have traded him. of course we could have...while getting a non-prospect back and eating a bunch of his salary. a lot of teams would like that. doesn't mean it would've been smart.
 
yeezus said:
also: please cite where I stated we couldn't have traded him. of course we could have...while getting a non-prospect back and eating a bunch of his salary. a lot of teams would like that. doesn't mean it would've been smart.
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Oh now I see your argument. Since we didn't know exactly the specifics of every single player and dollar involved, we have no business criticizing the front office. Got it.
 
yeezus said:
For what? Eating how much of the remaining salary? The links you provide don't say much at all, but draw any conclusion from them that you'd like.
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Much better than implying there no way we could unload him because there is nothing directly said that supports it. Which is something you do all the time. Fact is there were teams interested in him and the Braves should of jumped at any chance to move him regardless of how much salary we would eat. Because we are still paying him all of it and playing him is making the team worse.
 
yeezus said:
also: please cite where I stated we couldn't have traded him. of course we could have...while getting a non-prospect back and eating a bunch of his salary. a lot of teams would like that. doesn't mean it would've been smart.
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So would you rather pay him the 13 million a year (instead of not as much by dumping him) and having him be a very poor player? Makes sense.
 
thewupk said:
So would you rather pay him the 13 million a year (instead of not as much by dumping him) and having him be a very poor player? Makes sense.
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I'd probably rather hold onto him and hope he regains some value than trade him for nothing and eat his whole contract, yeah.

also, "very poor"? 0.4 isn't good by any means, but it's also not "very poor."
 
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