C. Bethancourt to SD for RHP Kelly, and '14 International Signee R. Rodriguez (C)

zitothebrave said:
I doubt that. We were told Bethancourt would be a defensive whiz who could be averagish offensively. The reports on Rodriguez is he won't hurt anything but won't excel anywhere as well.
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Rodriguez is 17, you of all people should be excited about that.

Still young, time to develop let's see how he goes through our system. Other than Fredi do we have any catching gurus in our organization? I know Chino Cadahia was a big influence to McCann back in the day.
 
The Don said:
When is the deadline for 40 man?
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Not sure I follow. The only deadline per se is the deadline to add guys to the 40 man in November before the Rule 5 draft. Aside from that, the 40 man roster is always in effect.

If your asking about the deadline for teams to file the paperwork on FA deals (like with Boni and Flowers), I'm not sure there is one. I assume the papers are all signed and there's somewhat of a handshake deal in place, with the agents knowing that ATL just wants more time to clear roster spots.
 
zitothebrave said:
I doubt that. We were told Bethancourt would be a defensive whiz who could be averagish offensively. The reports on Rodriguez is he won't hurt anything but won't excel anywhere as well.
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just don't really know how anyone can truly tell what a player will be like at 17.. I know you can have a general idea.. but dude could grow three inches and gain 40 pounds of muscle.. become a basher or to big to play the position..
 
zbhargrove said:
I guess it is meaningless if you know nothing about the players or care to research them. It actually looks like a pretty good deal. Rodriguez and young and far away but actually has some really nice upside. Kelly could turn into a legit bullpen guy.
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Don't care to research players who more than likely won't amount to anything. It's a trade for prospects for a good prospect who hasn't succeeded in the majors. Wasn't knocking the players involved in the deal. Just saying its a minor trade.
 
dak said:
Not sure I follow. The only deadline per se is the deadline to add guys to the 40 man in November before the Rule 5 draft. Aside from that, the 40 man roster is always in effect.

If your asking about the deadline for teams to file the paperwork on FA deals (like with Boni and Flowers), I'm not sure there is one. I assume the papers are all signed and there's somewhat of a handshake deal in place, with the agents knowing that ATL just wants more time to clear roster spots.
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That's what I mean. I'm not familiar with 40-man rules, I just thought since we're full on 40 right now, and that we signed Bonafacio and Flowers to major league deals, that there was a certain deadline to get them on there after we signed them.
 
zbhargrove said:
I'm so sick of hearing you say we got nothing. That's simply not true. Please research the players before getting emotional. The catcher we got has a chance to actually be a successful version of CB.
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To start with, I have every right to post my thoughts just as you do, yet I didn't criticize your view. I have more consideration. Second, I only posted twice yet you are "so sick". Doesn't take much to get you sick apparently.
 
The new catcher was signed for $800k in 2014. That is not an insignificant talent. If he turns into a backup catcher he probably contributes more than CB ever would have in Atlanta.
 
Hart was just on the radio and said that Rodriquez reminds him of a young Sandy Alomar Jr.

If that's the case, then this trade is a clear win for us.
 
skillet said:
To start with, I have every right to post my thoughts just as you do, yet I didn't criticize your view. I have more consideration. Second, I only posted twice yet you are "so sick". Doesn't take much to get you sick apparently.
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I think he's just sick of the negative nancies in general.

Zb is more of a tradtional old school guy, not so much saber.

Evreyone calm down. We're freaking out about trading Bethancourt for crying out loud.
 
The Don said:
Rodriguez is 17, you of all people should be excited about that.

Still young, time to develop let's see how he goes through our system. Other than Fredi do we have any catching gurus in our organization? I know Chino Cadahia was a big influence to McCann back in the day.
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You never know, but his frame doesn't really do much. He's 5'10. Mac is 6'3. Mac's issues were his arm not being strong and being a big catcher. He had to drill on his mechanics and did. You can't drill on height. Height leads to power.

Don't get me wrong, he could be a solid player. But I wouldn't say he was what we were promised with Bethancourt. Bengie Molina is what we were promised with Bethancourt.
 
zitothebrave said:
I doubt that. We were told Bethancourt would be a defensive whiz who could be averagish offensively. The reports on Rodriguez is he won't hurt anything but won't excel anywhere as well.
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The reports on Rodriguez sound like he can be a whiz also with better offense. So I greatly disagree with you.
 
zitothebrave said:
I doubt that. We were told Bethancourt would be a defensive whiz who could be averagish offensively. The reports on Rodriguez is he won't hurt anything but won't excel anywhere as well.
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CB was not a defensive wiz nor did he hit

My reading of the article is the young catcher is an above avg defender with above avg arm who can hit. Not piazza hit but handle the bat hit. They gave the guy 800k. Top 30 international guy. High baseball iq

Sounds like a great return considering everyone knew we were dealing him and the front office hated him.

I think if u complain you complain about why the front office hated him and why they're were so open about it
 
zitothebrave said:
You never know, but his frame doesn't really do much. He's 5'10. Mac is 6'3. Mac's issues were his arm not being strong and being a big catcher. He had to drill on his mechanics and did. You can't drill on height. Height leads to power.

Don't get me wrong, he could be a solid player. But I wouldn't say he was what we were promised with Bethancourt. Bengie Molina is what we were promised with Bethancourt.
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Just saying... I grew 4 inches between 17 and 19. It's not too common but 17 year old kids are rarely done growing their frame completely.
 
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