Camargo

Enscheff said:
What part of this graph looks like a fluke to you?

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that's clearly an upward trending line.

now back to your regularly scheduled "often wrong, never in doubt" postings.
 
chipchildress said:
that's clearly an upward trending line.

now back to your regularly scheduled "often wrong, never in doubt" postings.
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I think the point is that it’s a slight upward trend, but the outlier period early on skews Camargo’s 2018 to look like he’s made a more substantial improvement than he really has.
 
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jpx7 said:
I think the point is that it’s a slight upward trend, but the outlier period early on skews Camargo’s 2018 to look like he’s made a more substantial improvement that he really has.
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Yeah, fangraphs isn't a full season graph. Here's how it looks in words with the full months he's played:

May: 19.2% BB/13.1% K
June: 7.8% BB/17.5% K
July: 7% BB/25% K

Which one of these looks like the outlier? And I have an easy theory to how that happened early, teams were going off his old scouting report where he just hacked at everything. They changed course and he's showing, especially with his LH hitting side, that he has trouble hitting pitches outside of certain areas.

Edit: The funny thing is, the better he's hit, the worse his process as to hitting has been. In May he was being very selective and getting meatballs that he hammered into outs. I think since then he's regressed some but the results are better which is crazy.
 
jpx7 said:
I think the point is that it’s a slight upward trend, but the outlier period early on skews Camargo’s 2018 to look like he’s made a more substantial improvement than he really has.
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I think the point is that some unnamed poster is absolutely clueless, and oddly proud about it.
 
So to me Camargo has now had a full season worth of ABs and appears to be a 3-4 WAR player. Is this not good enough for people?
 
Orphan Black said:
So to me Camargo has now had a full season worth of ABs and appears to be a 3-4 WAR player. Is this not good enough for people?
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He is a perfectly fine MLB player. I am glad the Braves have him. Saying he isn't a starting caliber 3B on a contending team does not mean I hate him.

In 2017 his .299/.331/.452 line was buoyed by an unsustainable .364 BABIP. I called it unsustainable at the time, and he wasn't able to sustain it.

In 2018 his .257/.347/.452 line is buoyed by a freak month of walks. I called that BB rate unsustainable at the time, and he wasn't able to sustain it. I'm also dubious he will maintain the 16.4% HR/FB rate he has posted this season if he's allowed to continue seeing a lot of RHP, so his .195 ISO is also likely a bit high compared to what we can expect going forward.

Going forward he is likely a .260/.300/.430 hitter (perhaps a tick better) with a major platoon advantage vs LHP, and good positional versatility. That is the definition of a platoon or utility player.

That is a valuable player, but not the guy you want manning 3B everyday if you have the resources to improve upon it...and the Braves do. According to AA's quotes after the deadline, the Braves know this and they tried to fix it. Unfortunately, they weren't able to make the acquisition they were targeting. As Chico deducted, I also think that target was Shaw, and he would have made a great platoon with Camargo.
 
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Enscheff said:
A .750 OPS roughly translates to a .320 wOBA. Below are all the players who have accumulated 100+ PAs at 3B in 2017/2018 at 3B and have posted a wOBA of .320+ vs RHP:

1 Jose Ramirez 237.534 for 568 0.418
2 Matt Carpenter 109.163 for 276 0.396
3 Josh Donaldson 169.904 for 447 0.380
4 Cory Spangenberg 119.714 for 318 0.379
5 Kris Bryant 284.137 for 749 0.379
6 Miguel Sano 144.892 for 382 0.379
7 Travis Shaw 277.858 for 735 0.378
8 Ryon Healy 44.267 for 120 0.369
9 Anthony Rendon 274.070 for 744 0.368
10 Jake Lamb 235.580 for 643 0.366
11 Matt Davidson 43.628 for 120 0.364
12 Adrian Beltre 138.641 for 384 0.361
13 Miguel Andujar 92.480 for 256 0.361
14 Daniel Descalso 38.671 for 107 0.361
15 Eugenio Suarez 269.217 for 762 0.353
16 Mike Moustakas 212.657 for 606 0.351
17 Alex Bregman 245.908 for 706 0.348
18 Matt Chapman 177.787 for 513 0.347
19 Nolan Arenado 274.956 for 794 0.347
20 Joey Gallo 63.991 for 185 0.346
21 Justin Turner 160.000 for 468 0.343
22 Wilmer Flores 65.169 for 193 0.338
23 Matt Duffy 86.579 for 257 0.337
24 Eduardo Escobar 140.748 for 421 0.334
25 Chase Headley 92.403 for 280 0.331
26 Colin Moran 87.408 for 266 0.329
27 Jedd Gyorko 147.303 for 450 0.327
28 Todd Frazier 191.450 for 588 0.326
29 Manny Machado 178.716 for 553 0.323
30 Rafael Devers 146.895 for 459 0.320

From that list, the most likely guy to be available and pass through waivers is Donaldson...if he's healthy.
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Beltre?
 
I wish Camargo was a Ramirez that is bubbling, but he's Matt Chapman lite lite. His defense is good but it isn't even elite as he makes bonehead plays. That's not a terrible thing though.
 
Ok, I have been down on Camargo since the beginning, and have never thought very highly of him. Now that I finally start to come around on him a bit and think he's a serviceable 3B you guys are wanting to replace him
 
If I could buy that his .750 OPS was real, then I could think he could pull off being a starter outside MI, Martin Prado style, just as a switch hitter but I'm very uncertain about it. It seems very walk influenced which was an early fluke based on old scouting on him.
 
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