Camargo

GeorgiaGirl said:
I wish Camargo was a Ramirez that is bubbling, but he's Matt Chapman lite lite. His defense is good but it isn't even elite as he makes bonehead plays. That's not a terrible thing though.
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He watched Frazier score tonight, it was maddening! He should have at least gotten him in a pickle.
 
Are we still buying that inflated BB rate?

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I never thought it was as good as May but I think about 7% might be real, because in life it's never as good or as bad as it seems.

As I've said though, Camargo....true talent .650 OPS'er on that left side.
 
Now let's discuss the HR/FB rates....

RH = 19.4%
LH = 15.2%

That would put him in the Top 20% among qualified batters while batting RHed, and in the Top 40% of qualified hitters while batting LHed.

Does his exit velocities on FBs warrant those HR/FB marks?

RH = 92.9 mph
LH = 89.2 mph

His FB exit velocities rank in the Top 40% while batting RHed, and in the BOTTOM 10% batting LHed.

So how sustainable do we think it is for a guy to have an above average HR/FB rate while sporting one of the worst average exit velocities on FBs?

Do we still think his 16.9% HR/FB so far in 2018 rate is sustainable (and by extension, that .200 ISO)? Or did we all learn something from watching what happened to the HR/FB rates of guys like MAdams, Suzuki, and Albies?
 
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I do think there is room for him to improve. He's already shown that he's improved dramatically from where he was in the minors.
 
atl717 said:
I do think there is room for him to improve. He's already shown that he's improved dramatically from where he was in the minors.
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How exactly has he improved?

Every predictive measure shows he is likely to walk 5%-7% of the time with an ISO of .100-.150 as a LHH....exactly what his MiLB numbers suggest.

I’m willing to bet the Braves FO is projecting him in exactly this manner, which is why they have been looking for a LHH guy at 3b.
 
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Enscheff said:
Now let's discuss the HR/FB rates....

RH = 19.4%
LH = 15.2%

That would put him in the Top 20% among qualified batters while batting RHed, and in the Top 40% of qualified hitters while batting LHed.

Does his exit velocities on FBs warrant those HR/FB marks?

RH = 92.9 mph
LH = 89.2 mph

His FB exit velocities rank in the Top 40% while batting RHed, and in the BOTTOM 10% batting LHed.

So how sustainable do we think it is for a guy to have an above average HR/FB rate while sporting one of the worst average exit velocities on FBs?

Do we still think his 16.9% HR/FB so far in 2018 rate is sustainable (and by extension, that .200 ISO)? Or did we all learn something from watching what happened to the HR/FB rates of guys like MAdams, Suzuki, and Albies?
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As good as Carmargo has been, I think your analysis shows why we need someone who hits right-handed pitching well to shore up the left side of the infield. When you add the career splits data of Swanson and Albies the case becomes even more compelling.
 
nsacpi said:
As good as Carmargo has been, I think your analysis shows why we need someone who hits right-handed pitching well to shore up the left side of the infield. When you add the career splits data of Swanson and Albies the case becomes even more compelling.
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I’m really interested in learning who they were targeting but didn’t ultimately acquire. I bet Chico’s idea about Shaw is correct.

Maybe Profar since we heard all that chatter about the Rangers scouting Gohara?
 
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nsacpi said:
As good as Carmargo has been, I think your analysis shows why we need someone who hits right-handed pitching well to shore up the left side of the infield. When you add the career splits data of Swanson and Albies the case becomes even more compelling.
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Perhaps someone like Solarte?
 
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gohara for gallo who says no
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I’m trying to believe that Gallo wasn’t the target, but he’s the exact same type player as Duvall...all or nothing slugger with just enough OBP with the platoon advantage to be an asset when deployed properly.

Gallo is another likely target. I hope it never happens.
 
I still can’t believe the Braves allowed Flaherty to be the only LH hitter off the bench during a playoff chase though. It should have been an easy upgrade to make.

Whoever the primary target may have been, a backup acquisition should have been ready to go.
 
Enscheff said:
I still can’t believe the Braves allowed Flaherty to be the only LH hitter off the bench during a playoff chase though. It should have been an easy upgrade to make.

Whoever the primary target may have been, a backup acquisition should have been ready to go.
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it's pretty bad the more i think about it. no excuse for keeping flaherty around.
 
Enscheff said:
How exactly has he improved?

Every predictive measure shows he is likely to walk 5%-7% of the time with an ISO of .100-.150 as a LHH....exactly what his MiLB numbers suggest.

I’m willing to bet the Braves FO is projecting him in exactly this manner, which is why they have been looking for a LHH guy at 3b.
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I agree with you that Camargo is best suited for utility role perhaps on a platoon basis.

But Team Camargo can certainly point to a very real increase in power from both sides of the plate.

He's made himself into an average hitter from the right side wRC+ at 100, ISO at 150, BABIP at 278. the HR/FB rate might inflated, but he could still be growing into his power. The 15% rate looks more accurate than his 2% rate in 2017. the walk rate in general is definitely too high. I don't see his making big strides there to be particularly realistic.

If you are going to dream on Camargo that's where you start. In the sense that he's coming late to his power and improving generally, but specifically as a LH hitter.


The Braves unfortunately now have three starters with strong defensive skills who struggle from at least from one side of the plate. That seems like at least one too many.
 
Enscheff said:
I still can’t believe the Braves allowed Flaherty to be the only LH hitter off the bench during a playoff chase though. It should have been an easy upgrade to make.

Whoever the primary target may have been, a backup acquisition should have been ready to go.
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Flaherty can pinch bunt with the best of them.
 
Enscheff said:
I still can’t believe the Braves allowed Flaherty to be the only LH hitter off the bench during a playoff chase though. It should have been an easy upgrade to make.

Whoever the primary target may have been, a backup acquisition should have been ready to go.
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BiLE is the only possible explanation.
 
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