Can we/should we allow Hamels to get away?

Southcack77 said:
The young hitters in Rome and other young players elsewhere are exactly the guys the Braves should not be considering dealing if they wish to preserve a long window.
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The only guy from nsacpi's list that I would be hesitant to deal is Encarnacion (and MAYBE Muller). Guys like Ynoa, De La Cruz, Rangel, and the like don't have a ton of future upside, but they do have some trade value at the moment that we could use to make some modest upgrades. I don't think trading Rangel or someone like that is going to shrink our window much at all.
 
nsacpi said:
There is always some risk you give up a guy who is not that highly rated a prospect who later blossoms into a star. It happens even to smart front offices. But I don't think we can allow that kind of low probability risk paralyze us at the deadline.

That's kind of what we as fans can discuss and what the FO actually has to have a plan for. Among our prospects which ones do you make available for a certain kind of upgrade and which ones you don't.
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I would be fine with trading just about anyone outside of our top 7ish pitchers and top 6ish hitters. Modest trades like the ones we've discussed is what I'm looking for. I REALLY don't want us to go after a guy like Degrom or anyone else who is going to cost us a ton off the top. But we have a lot of good value in that 14-30 range of prospects that could net us quite a bit of help at the deadline, provided we can afford it financially.
 
BeanieAntics said:
The only guy from nsacpi's list that I would be hesitant to deal is Encarnacion (and MAYBE Muller). Guys like Ynoa, De La Cruz, Rangel, and the like don't have a ton of future upside, but they do have some trade value at the moment that we could use to make some modest upgrades. I don't think trading Rangel or someone like that is going to shrink our window much at all.
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I think we’re in the same boat, then, generally. But it’s interesting to contrast the specifics.

Encarnacion is a guy I’ve identified about whom I’m less hesitant—I think he has shiny promise to other teams, with a lot of potential room to grow; but ultimately I’m skeptical he can stick at third defensively, or hit robustly enough to be a plus at first—while Ynoa is a player I’d be hesitant to trade, at the moment, because I think he has untapped potential but not a lot of luster, given his results so far. You’re in the opposite boat with respect to those two guys. Hopefully Anthopoulos knows more than either of us.
 
jpx7 said:
I think we’re in the same boat, then, generally. But it’s interesting to contrast the specifics.

Encarnacion is a guy I’ve identified about whom I’m less hesitant—I think he has shiny promise to other teams, with a lot of potential room to grow; but ultimately I’m skeptical he can stick at third defensively, or hit robustly enough to be a plus at first—while Ynoa is a player I’d be hesitant to trade, at the moment, because I think he has untapped potential but not a lot of luster, given his results so far. You’re in the opposite boat with respect to those two guys. Hopefully Anthopoulos knows more than either of us.
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i rate Ynoa a bit higher than Encarnacion...he has the arm...the question is whether he can learn to harness it...id guess he'll end up being a good bullpen piece for a major league team...Encarnacion I would guess never makes the majors
 
nsacpi said:
i rate Ynoa a bit higher than Encarnacion...he has the arm...the question is whether he can learn to harness it...id guess he'll end up being a good bullpen piece for a major league team...Encarnacion I would guess never makes the majors
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Pretty much to my feeling, as well. But I could imagine a team dreaming on JCE busting out, given his tools and performance heretofore, so I’d capitalize on that if possible.
 
jpx7 said:
I think you have to pick-and-choose, hedging carefully, with the lower-tier guys—but they can often hold more appeal than the near or ready types like Wisler, who have some value but whose value is severely capped by limited ceiling.

A guy like JCE is someone a team can really dream on—even if his chances of making the bigs are a lot lower—exactly because of his unknowns; but he’s a guy I specifically mentioned earlier in this thread as a prospect I’d be comfortable trading this season for the right upgrade (say, a cost-controlled reliever like Treinen, but not necessarily him, whom the Braves would have around for a few more seasons). Waters, Contreras, and even Ynoa are Rome guys I’d have a lot less comfort in trading.
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I’m ok with trading just about anyone for a good enough return.

But there is no way I’m trading anyone you can dream on for a situational reliever or possible platoon bat.
 
Southcack77 said:
I’m ok with trading just about anyone for a good enough return.

But there is no way I’m trading anyone you can dream on for a situational reliever or possible platoon bat.
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Sure. That’s why I said “I’d be comfortable trading [him] this season for the right upgrade (say, a cost-controlled reliever like Treinen [...] whom the Braves would have around for a few more seasons).”
 
Southcack77 said:
I’m ok with trading just about anyone for a good enough return.

But there is no way I’m trading anyone you can dream on for a situational reliever or possible platoon bat.
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would you trade Wisler for Avilan, who has one more year of team control after this year
 
nsacpi said:
Wisler for Loup, Diekman or Blevins?
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I don’t really know what his trade value is.

If it’s situational reliever that’s probably fine.

While I think he might be useful to some team as cheap cannon fodder it’s probably time for Atlanta to move on from him and Sims.

I can live with some other team unlocking their value.
 
BeanieAntics said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Diekman have pretty extreme reverse splits kinda like Biddle? I think he was the guy I was looking at the other day. Maybe it was just for this season though.
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Would be nice to have a lefty reliever who’s actually great at getting out lefties.
 
BeanieAntics said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Diekman have pretty extreme reverse splits kinda like Biddle? I think he was the guy I was looking at the other day. Maybe it was just for this season though.
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reverse splits this year, conventional for career...the career data are better predictors of future performance
 
jpx7 said:
It’s not a strict binary. Seasons of contention are precious; an organization shouldn’t take for granted that they’re going to keep coming, no matter how well-laid the plans; and it’s slightly irresponsible to not try to maximize one’s odds when one finds one’s team in the thick of it come July. But that doesn’t mean one has to go full-throttle, blinded to the future, and sell out subsequent seasons, à la your Royals example. Balancing the two tensions is key, and there’s moderated, meticulously-weighed middle-ground that I hope Anthopoulos navigates this year, between future-eyed inaction and now-enamored gluttony.
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Yep. This is my thought. We cant skip this season for fear of trading prospects.
 
jpx7 said:
It’s not a strict binary. Seasons of contention are precious; an organization shouldn’t take for granted that they’re going to keep coming, no matter how well-laid the plans; and it’s slightly irresponsible to not try to maximize one’s odds when one finds one’s team in the thick of it come July. But that doesn’t mean one has to go full-throttle, blinded to the future, and sell out subsequent seasons, à la your Royals example. Balancing the two tensions is key, and there’s moderated, meticulously-weighed middle-ground that I hope Anthopoulos navigates this year, between future-eyed inaction and now-enamored gluttony.
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This.
 
Hamels gave up 7 ER today on 9 hits in 5 IP. He did have 7 Ks with no BBs. This was against the lowly White Sox.
 
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