goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
i have seen and read peoples opinions that religion is a mental illness
so, i guess it depends who you ask
Charleston SC shooting
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i have seen and read peoples opinions that religion is a mental illness
so, i guess it depends who you ask
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
I don't see the relevancy. But yes I think if the Taliban in Afghanistan had high quality mental healthcare backed by reasonable science and methods with a general philosophy of murder is wrong, then they probably wouldn't have flown the planes into the towers. And if I had 4 wheels I'd be a rolling bench.
You realize that the quote you used and the quote you just referenced (which, by the way, is from Nancy Pelosi) have two completely different contextual meanings, right?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
I've been to Germany dozens and dozens of times (including last week). It's one of my favorite countries.
But ... to your comments:
It still flies in plenty of ways.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...uld-block-german-bid-to-ban-npd-a-833053.html
The Anti-Defamation League says that 27% (19 million) Germans still harbor anti-Semitic views.
You simply can't legislate away hate. It kind of makes it worse.
i understand that but we aren't seeing states in Germany arguing to be able to waive the Nazi flag in states in Germany.
it isn't a fully comparable comparison imo.
my point though in the post was that sarcastic bs of "we believe in freedom of speech" and that we all have limits on free speech. it isn't like Germany hates free speech. hell, you just showed a picture that allowed the same type of hate groups to march etc in Germany.
i love Germany too :cheers:
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
not a good comparison either
57Brave
Well-known member
no, i didn't.
thanks
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i just linked a book about Pelosi to talk about a Pelosi quote.
C'mon man, you having a long day or what ?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
it's a silly argument to make imo
it is a way of saying "well, we shouldn't do anything". if that is the case, why have laws at all?
the status quo of doing nothing and saying "more guns" is the answer is not good enough anymore. we stand and do nothing and then try to act sad each and every time it happens but nothing changes.
a knife has many practical uses in life and is way harder to do mass killings with one than a handgun or certain types of guns.
life isn't safe but that doesn't mean we should just sit on our hands.
Sorry, I was responding to you but trying to make another point, which is basically that I don't believe that the simple act of removing the Confederate flag from the capital grounds automagically fixes the greater racism issues in SC.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
I agree, but you are presuming (probably accurately) that KRG isn't willing to change gun control laws.
My personal take is that you also need to consider the root of what compels people to these violent acts. Taking away the tools isn't the entire solution, although it is a great part of it.
57Brave
Well-known member
I heard a spokesman , not named Jackson or Sharpton , make the point last night -
controversial Middle Eastern people = terrorists
controversial Latinos = Illegals
controversial Black = Thug
controversial white male = well, it is mental illness
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There is a public park a few blocks away from my house called White Point Garden. It has this statue:
Should it be torn down?
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
There is a public park a few blocks away from my house called White Point Garden. It has this statue:
Should it be torn down?
i wouldn't cry if it did get torn down and i wouldn't fight to save it
still isn't a good comparison to the german sites you listed.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
I'm not really comparing it per se, just noting that some individuals value the historical significance.
People say the concentration camps are left open as 'reminders' -- but not all Jewish people agree, and it also hasn't stopped arsonists from attacking the sites on multiple occasions.
There is also small park with signage denoting where the Fuhrerbunker was located in central Berlin right next to the Holocaust Memorial. Eagle's Nest. Wolf's Lair.
Just saying.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
true but they are kept there cause some sick people for some reason claim it never happened. they need to be preserved to be reminded how awful we can be as humans and for it to never happen again
there isn't anyone saying slavery, the civil war didn't happen etc etc
the historical significance of the civil war should be remembered. battle fields, places of battles, appomattox etc etc should be visited and learn from them in the same way people should visit those sites in Germany
monuments like that one aren't helpful to anything and aren't of "historical significance".
the only way that statue should be celebrated imo if it was killing people from both sides to protect the city but i have a feeling that isn't what it stands for there
57Brave
Well-known member
"historical significance"
that ship sailed in the Civil Rights Era of the 60's.
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With the coming of the Civil Rights movement came the beginnings of the controversy surrounding the flag which we know today. White Southerners believed that their exclusive culture was being threatened, andthe flag became a symbol against civil rights. The segregationist Dixiecrat party of 1948, who ran Strom Thurmond for president, took on the Confederate flag as its symbol. Anti-Civil Rights sentiment ran strongin the South, which was once again feeling imposed upon by a distant federal government. The conflict was on again.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/am483_97/projects/sarratt/resurge.html
This story is flushed out in more detail in a book "Confederates In the Attic"
It also spells out the industry that blossomed around decals,flags,hats,panties etc etc etc
Like most everything else in our society. It is driven by money
that ship sailed in the Civil Rights Era of the 60's.
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With the coming of the Civil Rights movement came the beginnings of the controversy surrounding the flag which we know today. White Southerners believed that their exclusive culture was being threatened, andthe flag became a symbol against civil rights. The segregationist Dixiecrat party of 1948, who ran Strom Thurmond for president, took on the Confederate flag as its symbol. Anti-Civil Rights sentiment ran strongin the South, which was once again feeling imposed upon by a distant federal government. The conflict was on again.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~class/am483_97/projects/sarratt/resurge.html
This story is flushed out in more detail in a book "Confederates In the Attic"
It also spells out the industry that blossomed around decals,flags,hats,panties etc etc etc
Like most everything else in our society. It is driven by money
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
There is a public park a few blocks away from my house called White Point Garden. It has this statue:
Should it be torn down?
Personally, I think that memorials to war dead are fine. Flying the Confederate battle flag is of a different order. Apples and oranges.
I don't see much difference when the flag is flown at a memorial for said war dead. After all, they did fight for that flag. It's a nasty truth.
Now, random people flying it on their cars/boats/houses? I don't understand that and never really have.
For the record, I could care less about the flag flying. Take it down. I just resent the carpet-bagging mentality rife in the national media which is painting the flag as this symbol actively promulgating racial hate in SC. That's just uninformed (not to say that South Carolina isn't racist -- it is, almost unbearably), because it has less to do with the flag itself and more to do with the reasons why people want it to stay/put it there to begin with.
A quote that you misattributed (to a 'wise old woman') and misunderstood/misunderstand.
Meanwhile I continue to find it amusing that your scope of reference is so painfully limited.