Choosing Between McCann and Justin Upton (and maybe others)

[stpeteirish]

A long time ago someone drew the comparison between Pete Rose and Hank Aaron. They made that point that Rose always looked like he was going a hundred miles per hour and got the nickname Charlie Hustle. At the same time Hank just glided around gracefully and didn't look like he was working very hard. But that was deceptive. It was just one player had a particular way of moving that made him look like he was trying much harder. I think this is why so-called "blue collar" players can attain a popularity sometime that is actually out of proportion with both their results and effort. While more graceful types of players don't get the credit they deserve. I suppose some of it is in the eye of the beholder. Graceful in one person's eye becomes nonchalance in another.

True, but they were both superstars. I think the bigger misconception occurs with average players who have average (MLB average, that is) results. Fans love the white guys who is "gritty" and "plays hard all of the time" and think the black guy is average because he doesn't care.

 

[Teheran_49]

This community... if you don't know what Fanhome.com was, best to just keep your mouth shut. This board may be new, but I guarantee the community has been around much longer than you realize.

Dude, I was on the other board with this community when I was like 13-14 and I'm 25 now. I was AjGoldglove25 but it doesn't really matter if I joined yesterday or ten years ago as long as I'm a Braves fan(like most here) then that is all that matters.

 

[Teheran_49]

True, but they were both superstars. I think the bigger misconception occurs with average players who have average (MLB average, that is) results. Fans love the white guys who is "gritty" and "plays hard all of the time" and think the black guy is average because he doesn't care.

Not always true. Remember Charles Thomas? How big was he when he came up...all hustle.

 

[yeezus]

Well Kenny Lofton didn't want to be here and we got hosed on that deal. Justice and Grissom?? Wow that was bad and I think you can understand the dislike for Lofton with Braves fans. I think with Jason is everyone thought we had this guy who was going to hit .300/30/100 every year and be this perennial power house of a hitter and it just hasn't happened. The knocks against Andruw were correct as well, he had all the talent in the world yet didn't put in the work and it's a shame how his career went on track from being one of the greatest to play the game to just another All-Star player.

Honestly, I don't know if it's true or not but sometimes the way BJ is so nonchalant about the way he is playing that there have been times in the past where it looked like he wasn't giving it his all. Dan has always been a hustle player and that's how you have to play when you didn't get a chance at the Big Leagues until 26 and not looked at like a top prospect in the game(like BJ was). I just don't feel like these criticisms are being delivered based on race and more so of how it looks on the field.

News flash: Most top prospects, especially those who are deemed "the next greatest player ever," tend to not live up to it. Andruw certainly hustled in the OF. You don't get to judge who's "really trying" or not from your couch. Players play differently, look different playing. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[jcc03004]

My 5

1) freemen

2) heyward

3) Medlen

4) minor

5) simmons

 

[gilesfan]

Freeman, Heyward, Simmons,, McCann, J-Up, Minor,in that order. I would have reservations extending Justin, a lot of keeping him is expecting him to reach potential.

 

[Teheran_49]

News flash: Most top prospects, especially those who are deemed "the next greatest player ever," tend to not live up to it. Andruw certainly hustled in the OF. You don't get to judge who's "really trying" or not from your couch. Players play differently, look different playing. You don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah your right. Andruw just gained a ton of weight and career went down the toilet because he put in the work. What was I thinking?

 

[yeezus]

Yeah your right. Andruw just gained a ton of weight and career went down the toilet because he put in the work. What was I thinking?

He's the best defensive CFer of all time. What a fatass, right?
#your
You'RE upset that he isn't a top-10 all-time player when he had the "potential" to be. He had a great career offensively and defensively.

 

[Teheran_49]

He's the best defensive CFer of all time. What a fatass, right?
#your
You'RE upset that he isn't a top-10 all-time player when he had the "potential" to be. He had a great career offensively and defensively.

Umm I think he showed up to Dodger camp extremely over weight and out of shape but obviously you only remember Andruw through 2004.

 

[Enscheff]

You are extremely naive if you think AJ was anything more than a fraction of the payer he had the potential to be. He was touted as having "unlimited potential", and could have been a top 5 player all time had he put in the work. As it stands, he was lazy and ended up being just a "good to great" player.

 

[yeezus]

You are extremely naive if you think AJ was anything more than a fraction of the payer he had the potential to be. He was touted as having "unlimited potential", and could have been a top 5 player all time had he put in the work. As it stands, he was lazy and ended up being just a "good to great" player.

Yep. A lot of guys are. He had a great career. Not everyone that has top-5 potential does it. Few do. Very very few.

 

[ProbationDeac]

Have to let McCann go unless the NL is going to adopt the DH in a year or so, which isn't going to happen.

It's not a matter of letting him go, we won't be able to afford him. I know there's some hope by some on here that he'll give us a big hometown discount but I don't see it. I think the writing has been on the wall most of the year about this one. Hope I am wrong.

I think scenario two is the most likely though I wonder how well Gattis will do for a full season.

 

[The Tariff King]

It's not a matter of letting him go, we won't be able to afford him. I know there's some hope by some on here that he'll give us a big hometown discount but I don't see it. I think the writing has been on the wall most of the year about this one. Hope I am wrong.

I think scenario two is the most likely though I wonder how well Gattis will do for a full season.

We can afford him if we get rid of Uggla and probably not re-sign Huddy.

Maholm is definitely gone too.