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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Gary Johnson
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
it honestly doesn't matter at this point who the left has
it only matters who the right has or how the right will suppress voters in swing states
they (republicans) don't have the numbers to actually win on a national scale anymore
Maybe Obama is the American version of Hindenburg.
Arbitrary much?
In case anybody forgot, Mitt Romney was not elected president in 2012 and has only bought/remodeled his homes since then.
Cuomo is an interesting possibility, but I don't think he would ever run against Hillary.
I don't think Cuomos statement last week won him any national supporters
sturg33
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Why do you think Gary isn't electable? He won governor twice, more than Romney.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What's the difference between Obama and Romney? *** marriage and abortion? That's about it. Both are pro-Military industrial complex, pro-big government, etc.
Everything else is marginal. They have small skirmishes in areas that really don't matter that much aside from for a minority of people. Like taxing on the top 1% of earners.
Compare Obama to Jill Stein. What did Stein want?
To create small local sustaining jobs. Aka, offer a competitive advantage to your mom and pop, not to Walmart, Home Depot, etc. Renogiate or eliminate NAFTA. Raise minimum wage, Socialized medicine. Cut the military budget, reworking tax code so it's actually progressive. Break up massive banking conglomerates. Ending the Fed and replacing it with an actual central bank. Tuition free education. Repeal the patriot act, repeal NDAA, So on and so forth.
That's someone who's left leaning in how people portray the democrats. And some dems are like that, but not any who've ran for president. Every Dem and Rep who's ran for president has basically been down the middle. Leaning right and authoritarian especially lately.
50PoundHead
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I am loath to post protected content, but there is a portion of a great article in the latest edition of The New York Review of Books that I think helps dispel the notion that Obama is a "falling off the edge" left liberal. What is the protocol on that? Can I post the pertinent portion of the article with a notation or is any posting of protected content forbidden?
sturg33
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Back to Gary Johnson - while he's no Ron Paul, he's basically the perfect candidate for today's for American people:
- He is pro-*** marriage
- He is pro-choice (sadly)
- He is anti-war except for humanitarian efforts
- He is a strong fiscal conservative, and has a proven track record of fiscal excellence (unlike Romney's record in Mass)
He basically is the best of both world for liberals and conservatives.
- He is pro-*** marriage
- He is pro-choice (sadly)
- He is anti-war except for humanitarian efforts
- He is a strong fiscal conservative, and has a proven track record of fiscal excellence (unlike Romney's record in Mass)
He basically is the best of both world for liberals and conservatives.
I'm finding it difficult to understand what Mitt Romney has to do with my characterization of Obama. Especially considering we have zero Romney presidential legislation to judge, but that's far beyond the point. My comment was not meant to be partisan - just observational. Comparing Obama to other politicians (Republican or Democrat) is counterintuitive to understanding where his political compass rests. Unless you are arguing towards a new definition of modern liberalism, which I guess I could buy into on some level.
To me, it's black and white: Obama has put into practice the beginnings of socialized medicine (administered by a national 'big' government), has backed down on immigration, passed ARRA (extension of welfare benefits), Kagan and Sotomayor to Supreme Court, a more multilateral approach to foreign relations ... and has gone 'liberal' on virtually every social issue: stem cell research, *** marriage, DADT, gun control.
How's that not decidedly left-leaning would go against my notions of what the left is - from both traditional and contemporary standpoints. Not calling him a pinko.
50PoundHead
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It is pay content. I am a subscriber, so I can get to it, but a non-subscriber could not. I was only planning on posting an excerpt of the entire article. I am a strong supporter of property rights, intellectual or otherwise.
sturg33
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And Mittens & McCain did?
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
No, but they lost. Both have better personalities than Gary Johnson.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
He hasn't put into place socialized medicine. He placed mandated health insurance which screams something that Big Pharma/Big Med loves. Not that people actually want. Obama hasn't backed down on immigration, he's just catering to the hispanic vote. Not real immigration reform. 2 supreme court appintees doesn't mean anything. We could go on with the list of presidents who appointed someone who went totally against them. Obama's multilateral approach to foreign nations is bombing them with drones, bomb them with cruise missiles, or invade them with troops. He added the drone aspect.
As far as gone liberal on virtually every social issue, you may have a point there, but nothing he has signed into law has gone into place on them. He just makes his points loudly.
Obama is right leaning authoritarian in his ways. He's pro-wall street, he's pro-big business, he's anti-individual. He is very simialr to Bush.
If he was truly left leaning, he wouldn't push for war in Syria, support NSA spying until it's obviously unpopular, allocate hundreds of billions to nuclear weapons, sign NDAA, extend the patriot act, and not to mention hands down the most un-left thing he did was sing into law the Monsanto Protection Act.