Church shooting - Sutherland Springs, Texas

I don't think you can have an honest discussion without acknowledging all the factors and it's indisputable there is a pretty common element running through most of these mass killings.
 
mqt said:
This is becoming exhausting. It'll be a white guy, meaning Thethe will condemn us for politicizing it. Next time it'll be a guy that isn't white and Goldfly will condemn thethe for politicizing it. Like I said after NYC, we need to figure out why people are killing each other in these public spectacles, whether they're white, Muslim, conservative, Antifa or whatever else. Instead we will spend another news cycle arguing gun control vs. not politicizing until the next time it's a foreigner.
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The motive is the most important thing in any of these cases.

How can you argue that an agent of ISIS killing people is the same as a white guy with no affiliations to an outside group? If he is linked to some right wing extremist groups then we need to seriously consider that threat against the livlihood of every American citizen.
 
The church tape records services so there should be plenty of video evidence detailing this tragedy.
 
sturg33 said:
...what? Who wasn't concerned about Charlottesville?
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What was the point of your car comment? Was that a reference to Charlottesville or NYC?

After the nazi rammed his car through a crowd of people, the reaction from some was to talk about the culpability of antifa or in other parts of the internet talk about how he was just trying to escape.
 
thethe said:
The motive is the most important thing in any of these cases.

How can you argue that an agent of ISIS killing people is the same as a white guy with no affiliations to an outside group? If he is linked to some right wing extremist groups then we need to seriously consider that threat against the livlihood of every American citizen.
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Except I don't see a lot of people saying "ISIS isn't a problem"; just disagreements about what to do about that problem.

I do see a lot of people saying "guns aren't a problem". But while they may not be the problem, or even the root cause of a larger problem, they clearly are part of the problem.
 
jpx7 said:
Except I don't see a lot of people saying "ISIS isn't a problem"; just disagreements about what to do about that problem.

I do see a lot of people saying "guns aren't a problem". But while they may not be the problem, or even the root cause of a larger problem, they clearly are part of the problem.
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I can agree that guns are magnifying the total death count. I'm not sure how that can be disputed. We can regulate and regulate guns till the cows come home but that still is not addressing the real underlying issue as to why people are doing these things (non-Islamic terrorism).
 
jpx7 said:
Except I don't see a lot of people saying "ISIS isn't a problem"; just disagreements about what to do about that problem.

I do see a lot of people saying "guns aren't a problem". But while they may not be the problem, or even the root cause of a larger problem, they clearly are part of the problem.
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And 50 percent of the country (my estimation) refuses to recognize this.
 
bravesnumberone said:
What was the point of your car comment? Was that a reference to Charlottesville or NYC?

After the nazi rammed his car through a crowd of people, the reaction from some was to talk about the culpability of antifa or in other parts of the internet talk about how he was just trying to escape.
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you're quoting the person who started a Antifa thread as his reaction to that killing
 
thethe said:
I can agree that guns are magnifying the total death count. I'm not sure how that can be disputed. We can regulate and regulate guns till the cows come home but that still is not addressing the real underlying issue as to why people are doing these things (non-Islamic terrorism).
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It's an epidemic of social sickness and a large, large chunk of it is younger, isolated white men it seems. The internet could play a role even. There are a lot of discussions that should be had. If it's mental health that plays a significant role, what steps can we take to address the problem? How serious are we as a society, not just the government, going to be about this?

But also how serious are we going to be about the gun angle? Sometimes it's a bomb or a car or a knife but it's predominately guns that are being used to inflict mass violence.

Stiffer sentencing for gun-related crimes isn't going to cut it in the long run.
 
bravesnumberone said:
It's an epidemic of social sickness and a large, large chunk of it is younger, isolated white men it seems. The internet could play a role even. There are a lot of discussions that should be had. If it's mental health that plays a significant role, what steps can we take to address the problem? How serious are we as a society, not just the government, going to be about this?
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Social media is the #1 factor in my opinion. We have devolved into an isolationist society and have substituted human interaction with text on a screen (how hypocritical of me to rail on this as I have an unhealthy amount of posts on an internet forum).

Mental health is an issue and is related to social media but I also wonder just what types of impacts anti-depressants have on the population.
 
bravesnumberone said:
What was the point of your car comment? Was that a reference to Charlottesville or NYC?

After the nazi rammed his car through a crowd of people, the reaction from some was to talk about the culpability of antifa or in other parts of the internet talk about how he was just trying to escape.
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The car comment? It was to talk about that people only care about the object when it is a gun. When we have mass killings in Niece, or NYC, or Charlottesville with cars, there's not a call to start regulating the object used to kill.

The common thread of all these mass killings is a crazy person.
 
goldfly said:
you're quoting the person who started a Antifa thread as his reaction to that killing
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you're right... antifa is the peaceful group in the country that you like to praise

What don't you go back to jerking off about all the anti-science victims of the last hurricane
 
i know i am right

where have i praised that group?

that's a weird fetish category you got there.

keep fighting the good fight for the white nationalists though. cheers
 
thethe said:
Social media is the #1 factor in my opinion. We have devolved into an isolationist society and have substituted human interaction with text on a screen (how hypocritical of me to rail on this as I have an unhealthy amount of posts on an internet forum).

Mental health is an issue and is related to social media but I also wonder just what types of impacts anti-depressants have on the population.
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Social media does play a big part in it. The internet in general though. Think back to Columbine. Think back to the guy who thought Hillary was running a pediphilia ring in a pizza place because the internet told him so and he walked in there and fired a gun.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Social media does play a big part in it. The internet in general though. Think back to Columbine. Think back to the guy who thought Hillary was running a pediphilia ring in a pizza place because the internet told him so and he walked in there and fired a gun.
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We have advanced so quickly in the last 30 years that nobody ever thought as to what impact it would have on society. Jaw mentioned it earlier but the lack of a stable nuclear family is rotting this country from the inside out.
 
what about that statement is wrong?

are those red states not paying a price by voting for people who don't believe in science and thus not helping them avoid disasters etc?
 
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