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Rep. Marcia L. Fudge
‏Verified account @RepMarciaFudge
Nov 30

Annual costs due to #ClimateChange could exceed $100 BILLION in the energy,

agriculture and health sectors by the end of the century. The President tried to

bury these findings last week jeopardizing the health and wealth of the American

people.
#ClimateFriday
 
In all of the excitement of the past week :.

Administration officials have said that the report is based on "extreme scenarios" and faulty assumptions and that it was not transparent. Trump's allies have said that climate scientists are getting rich off the report. Both of those points have been refuted.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...mate-report-has-only-attracted-more-attention


U.S. President Donald Trump administration's rebuke of a 1700-page climate report produced by 13 federal agencies has fueled a week of media coverage that shows little sign of dying down
 
Isn't the goal carbon neutral by 2050 ?

Isn't France admitting they have fallen short of their short term goal ?
That being the first step of 12

Ever tried slowing down a run away train ?

I agree with you hoping to see a global downward spike but often these things take time
Thus the 2050 goal.
Let's see the numbers and what pattern develops over the next 5 years

As far as the piss and moan about plastic straws, it was the 1960's anti littering campaign that was thought silly at the time that brought us to the awareness of climatic implications and the hows and whys of our general respect/disrespect for the planet impact our daily lives.

I am old enough to remember ash trays at every table in restaurants.
That too took time
 
I don't get all the climate change hoopla. I mean, I am skeptical of most of the climate change reports, but even still, going green and finding cheaper and cleaner options for fuel should be something we all can agree is nothing but good for everyone (accept oil companies obviously).

Also, I'm completely in favor of reducing non-reusable plastic waste too. Not sure why people are taking issue with that.
 
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Carp said:
I don't get all the climate change hoopla. I mean, I am skeptical of most of the climate change reports, but even still, going green and finding cheaper and cleaner options for fuel should be something we all can agree is nothing but good for everyone (accept oil companies obviously).
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Yeah. I'm a climate change fatalist. It is going to happen and there aint much we can do about it. Better to focus on mitigation.

Having said that, putting in place a carbon tax (and gradually increasing it while replacing or reducing our other taxes) makes such compelling sense from an economic perspective that we should be doing it regardless of climate change considerations. And this should be pushed as a revenue neutral proposition to take as much of the partisan politics out of it as possible.
 
A carbon tax makes sense, but presents the same problems you see in France right now—producers will pass the cost to consumers, which in turn will be borne by those who can afford it least. So there would have to be mitigating measures in place. I’ve long advocated for price-signaling on gas taxes, but the reality is that a lot of communities (mine included) have ****ty public transit systems that necessitate a nasty kick for people on the margins. The truth is, on all the interrelated issues here—carbon emissions, petro-subsidies, public transit and infrastructure investments—we’ve been fiddling while Rome burns.
 
I would just as soon see the Superfund/tobacco settlement model happen in concert with anything else. The entities that bull****ted the public about fossil fuels for decades, while knowing the truth, should be on the hook to underwrite a transition to sustainability.
 
Robert Draper
‏Verified account @DraperRobert
Dec 6

Robert Draper Retweeted CBC Politics

Me: "Doc, what's the diagnosis?"

Doctor: "I'm afraid you have cancer."

Me: "Hmm. What's the other side of the science?"

Doctor: "You don't have cancer."

Me: "Wow, I feel better already."
 
Julio3000 said:
A carbon tax makes sense, but presents the same problems you see in France right now—producers will pass the cost to consumers, which in turn will be borne by those who can afford it least. So there would have to be mitigating measures in place. I’ve long advocated for price-signaling on gas taxes, but the reality is that a lot of communities (mine included) have ****ty public transit systems that necessitate a nasty kick for people on the margins. The truth is, on all the interrelated issues here—carbon emissions, petro-subsidies, public transit and infrastructure investments—we’ve been fiddling while Rome burns.
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We need to be honest about this. Among other things a carbon tax incentivizes people to live in more densely populated areas that require less driving over long distances. That's the idea. And it is possible to compensate people currently living in areas that are less densely populated. Send them all a check based on population density in the county they currently reside. Make it a nice fat one but explain to them what it is for.
 
In Congress, on Facebook and in statehouses nationwide, Marathon Petroleum, the country’s largest refiner, worked with powerful oil-industry groups and a conservative policy network financed by the billionaire industrialist Charles G. Koch to run a stealth campaign to roll back car emissions standards, a New York Times investigation has found.

The campaign’s main argument for significantly easing fuel efficiency standards — that the United States is so awash in oil it no longer needs to worry about energy conservation — clashed with decades of federal energy and environmental policy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/13/climate/cafe-emissions-rollback-oil-industry.html
 
The anti science left will be once again pushing imaginary fake science in order to seize more control.

Learn from past mistakes and don't fall for it.

Or blindly nod along as you are designed to do

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Yes! I was trying to think of what it reminded me of a couple of weeks ago! MadLibs is it exactly.
 
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Has anyone else noted the extreme temperatures of British Columbia ?
 
In the past few days Canada recorded the highest temperature since the day they started recording

As noted elsewhere last week - since 1985 the average temp per month has risen every month
 
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