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Yea, I like Musgrove but more out of the bullpen than starting. The Astros did a great job in this trade IMO. I thought Cole would cost them more than that.
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Yea, I like Musgrove but more out of the bullpen than starting. The Astros did a great job in this trade IMO. I thought Cole would cost them more than that.
Musgrove had a much better minor league career than Blair. Hindsight is 20/20 but I don't see the comparison honestly. Maybe Wisler is more likely which isn't a distinguishable characteristic of Musgrove either. Blair was never any good although my homer self thought he was.
The comparison is what they are projected to do. Unless you think Musgrove is projected to be better than a backend starter or a plus reliever then that's what you got. Again, the Pirates didn't get much here.
I'm a fan of Musgrove and think his size and stuff will translate to an innings eater 3 that will provide tremendous value to the Pirates the next 5 years.
Here is the post that Enscheff had in the following thread (which is a great analysis of the Braves pitchers
Newcomb: 65/70 FA, 60 CU, 70 SL, 50 CH
Newk has TOR stuff. Period. If he continues to post a BB/9 of 5+ he is the most frustrating "stuff #4" in the game. If he improves to Gio-level control (~3.5 BB/9) he is a TOR stud. My money is on him never getting the BBs under control, unfortunately.
Gohara: 75 FA, 50 SL, 45 CH
Gohara is a beast with a closer's FA. The SL grade is misleading due to the fact it is the average of 2 different pitches. The CH is usable. Gohara is already a 2-pitch #3 SP, and as he refines his command and CH he will grow into a TOR stud.
Its very clear from this analysis that Newk has a ceiling that we should all be excited about.
I’ve also shown data about how often guys with a BB rate that bad improve, especially at his age. It’s very rare.
Newcomb’s most likely comp is Oliver Perez or Jonathan Sanchez...guys who had limited success due to excellent stiff and horrid command.
Definitely possible - I've just made the point for two years now that Newk has elite stuff. Its an obvious argument that he needs to refine his control but IMO last year was very promising that he reasonable maintained his walk rate at the major league level. Now he needs to improve it although unlikely.
Right but will he ever be a 3 WAR player? I doubt it. So the argument that he could be a great trade piece for us to get a bat back is a flawed argument. If he can’t get the walks under control, and the Braves haven’t changed any of the pitching coaches throughout the organization which would lead one to believe they would be changing the way they’re teaching players, he won’t be anything more than a fringe starter. The only thing that keeps him as a 3 or 4 is the fact that he’s a lefty.
You and the Pirates GM might be the only ones who think that
You won’t find many that agree. Here’s the most recent take on the Pirates return: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/nl-notes-giants-l-cain-pirates-musgrove-cards-ozuna.html
It’s not when evaluators rate a return as “brutal”.
The Astros are one of the best FOs in the game, and they just showed why.