Then how would putting up more statues of Confederate generals or actively fighting to keep them up not also be a way of strengthening racial tensions? Keep in mind that there wouldn’t be a debate if people didn’t do **** like have a march in Charlottesville to protest taking them down or pass inane laws to protect the statues. There’s just as much virtue signaling on the Right regarding statues as there is on the Left.
Confederate Monuments
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Then how would putting up more statues of Confederate generals or actively fighting to keep them up not also be a way of strengthening racial tensions? Keep in mind that there wouldn’t be a debate if people didn’t do **** like have a march in Charlottesville to protest taking them down or pass inane laws to protect the statues. There’s just as much virtue signaling on the Right regarding statues as there is on the Left.
It has nothing to do with Lee. Anyone with sense knew that Lee was the 'in' that was needed to go on a rampage of tearing down Americas history (good and bad).
And protesting for any belief is completely allowed and should not be met with Antifa agitators which anyone with sense knows is what truly caused Charlottesville to be a moment we would all hope to forget.
Nothing represents freedom quite like the Confederacy!
What exactly is the point of a statue if not to elicit some sort of emotion?
I’m not talking about extreme emotions, but I don’t see why any monument would exist to not instill something like pride or joy or sorrow. That seems to be their entire purpose, regardless of who they’re memorializing.
Judging people by modern morality is a tricky thing because morality changes over time. Mqt, what happens if in the future Roe vs Wade is overturned and 200 years from now people have an extremely negative view of abortion similar to slavery? Should these future people start taking down every statue of anyone who supported abortion regardless of their accomplishments in other fields? Are you and other abortion supporters now monsters? To a few of the close minded people in the future you are.
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Do you find it odd that every time some group decides they need to tear down the statue of a white guy they propose replacing it with a black guy? If it was about removing the statue that is there, then the push should be to remove it and make the green space.
But the push is always to put up a statue of a communist, adultering, misogynist instead, or a career criminal who died under the influence of drugs, or of basically anyone else with the right color of skin. Why would anyone indulge such racism?
I’m cognizant of this, but let’s not pretend that in the mid-1800s that the world was ignorant to the immorality of slavery. Most of the western world had abolished it by then and obviously there was an active movement in the nation to abolish slavery. I’m not concerned with the racism of the 19th century. I’m concerned with literally going to war to protect a practice that was widely considered immoral at the time globally.
As to the analogy, if the world lands on abortion being murder, I’d be fine with whatever the future people want to do. However, for the analogy to work, we’d have to go out and kill several million people so that we could continue performing abortions.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Over and over. It's depressing.
We simply shouldn’t be putting up statues of people that just happen to be black. I can understand the inclination to replace the statues of Confederates with heroic figures that are black, but I don’t think that to be necessary by any means. I think it’s sufficient to just get rid of the old monument and move on with our lives. For what it’s worth, I’m not arguing that there aren’t people advocating for the removals with separate motives, but that the movement itself to eliminate the statues has value on its own.
I’ve studied the history and know the arguments on the other side. They’re largely undermined by the words of the decision makers at the time. It’s not that there weren’t other tensions between the North and South, but to claim slavery was anything less than the primary motivation for succession is absurd.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Lee is being identified by the single most despicable factor possible. I did the same with Dr. King and Floyd. We could discuss and remember those guy's better qualities instead, but that apparently doesn't follow the rules of the game.