Confederate Monuments

You gotta love it how this process played out.

- The left successfully argue to rip down Lee statue

- The scumbags protest that

- The other scumbags do what they do

- Violence ensues

- Everything now associated with confederacy or even anti-antif is now a white supremacist

- Liberal cities are fighting over who can be the next to pull down monuments

Just one event started a nice little domino. And if we think it'll end with confederate monuments, then I've got a bridge to sell you
 
Jaw said:
To be clear, I agree with your beef. I feel like it's easy to talk past each other in these kinds of topics, and the subject matter is pretty sensitive to begin with. I guess I would summarize my feelings like this.

I don't like the neo-nazi crowd that was at the protest.

I don't like it when anything is used to further a white (or any other race) supremacy agenda.

I don't like the removal of Confederate statues.

I do like the removal of statues memorializing white supremacists, klan members, nazis, or any others of their kind.

I do think the Confederacy stood for a lot of really good things. It also stood for one really terrible thing that outweighed the others.

I don't think that everyone that wore gray did it to fight for slavery.
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100% agree, if you're talking about a given individual's express purpose.
 
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Baltimore Confederate statute replaced!
 
Tom Bonier‏Verified account @tbonier 6m6 minutes ago

We have to understand: these aren't just statues. They're monuments to centuries of straight white male privilege in this country.
 
57Brave said:
Tom Bonier‏Verified account @tbonier 6m6 minutes ago

We have to understand: these aren't just statues. They're monuments to centuries of straight white male privilege in this country.
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Part of history. Albeit a dark history, but history of this great nation still. They are memories of the past and a reminder of what we overcame. People can knock down statutes, but it doesn't change what has already happened.
 
The problem is that many of these should've never gone up. They were erected as weapons, and they still serve that purpose for some. That should be dealt with in the best way we can.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Part of history. Albeit a dark history, but history of this great nation still. They are memories of the past and a reminder of what we overcame. People can knock down statutes, but it doesn't change what has already happened.
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history ?
overcame ?

This quote came from an Op Ed (I guess it would be called) by Russ Feinstein in yesterdays Guardian - please see the Voter Purge thread
 
Has anyone pushing the it changes history angle ever considered those monuments were put up in an effort to change or at least sanitize history?
 
Dalyn said:
The problem is that many of these should've never gone up. They were erected as weapons, and they still serve that purpose for some. That should be dealt with in the best way we can.
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There was a recent WaPo article about USSR iconography in the former Soviet Bloc. There are a couple examples of statues placed in dedicated parks with relevant information on plaques about when they were erected, and by whom, interspersed with monuments commemorating the victims and events of the era. Appropriate here, IMO.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Has anyone pushing the it changes history angle ever considered those monuments were put up in an effort to change or at least sanitize history?
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I haven't seen substantive or compelling research to support that claim.

There are ~700 Confederate 'monuments' in existence, many of which are on the National Register of Historic Places.

Are you really of the belief that they were all installed in an attempt to make people forget - or feel better - about slavery?
 
Hawk said:
I haven't seen substantive or compelling research to support that claim.

There are ~700 Confederate 'monuments' in existence, many of which are on the National Register of Historic Places.

Are you really of the belief that they were all installed in an attempt to make people forget - or feel better - about slavery?
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Not feel better about slavery. Feel better about the cause. Not all but some yes. You'd be naive to think otherwise.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Not feel better about slavery. Feel better about the cause. Not all but some yes. You'd be naive to think otherwise.
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Can you show me an example of one that was commissioned to make Confederates feel better about 'the cause'?

Your position has logic, and I'm not saying you are entirely wrong, but it's not nearly as clear cut as you make it out to be.
 
Hawk said:
I haven't seen substantive or compelling research to support that claim.

There are ~700 Confederate 'monuments' in existence, many of which are on the National Register of Historic Places.

Are you really of the belief that they were all installed in an attempt to make people forget - or feel better - about slavery?
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What do you consider "substantive or compelling research?"

About slavery, or about the war? Because there was certainly a concerted effort to sanitize the confederacy.

Are you familiar with the Confederate Catechism?
 
I think the point of my question is I don't see how a monument's existence "changes" history. But if an attempt to take it down is considered blasphemy because it attempts to "change history," then what was the purpose of putting them up?

People act like we have time machines where we can change things.
 
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