Contraception

sturg33 said:
No.

In other words - I shouldn't be penalized for being healthy to subsidize the obese smoker.

I shouldn't be penalized in my health premiums because I'm a man. I don't need as much health care as women do. Why should I be paying for it?

I shouldn't need to subsidize contraception. If a woman wants to have sex - fine. Let her pay for it.
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You don't get how insurance works do you?

Sounds to me like you want to ban health insurance, I think i could get behind that for the most part, would cut tons of doctor salaries, we'd have less big pharma money rolling around, and many other positives. Of course more people would die of cancer, there'd be less money out there for high end equipment so basically only the richest of the rich hospitals would provide quality health care. But is it worse than the way things are today? I'm not sure.
 
sturg33 said:
No.

In other words - I shouldn't be penalized for being healthy to subsidize the obese smoker.

I shouldn't be penalized in my health premiums because I'm a man. I don't need as much health care as women do. Why should I be paying for it?

I shouldn't need to subsidize contraception. If a woman wants to have sex - fine. Let her pay for it.
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But if you get insurance from your employer, your insurance rates reflect the claims data of all the participants in your pool, both healthy and unhealthy.
 
I happen to work in the insurance industry (not health insurance). I understand how insurance works and makes money.

I don't think a man should have to support women's contraceptives. But I'm a radical - so...
 
57Brave said:
The parties have switched ideologies -- that Southern Stratagy thingy proposed by Roger Ailes and Kevin Phillips.

I'm sure you've never heard the story of LBJ saying (D) gave up the south the day he signed Civil Rights.

That is the same Roger Ailes that runs herd over Fox News. I'm sure you knew that too
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Of course I did.

Turd....er Bird (ex Klansmen) tried so hard to prevent this but yet my people are too stupid to acknowledge that this cracker ass cracker (Chris Rock's voice) wanted to keep us down.

As for Faux News, don't care, never cared and will ever care what they say, preach or lie about same as LiberalBullschit MSNBC. Both are unworthy news channels if I ever saw one that are worshiped by sheep like you.
 
I was for contraception until I saw how much it increased the heating cost in the UK.
 
Skeptics of the legal challenge to Obamacare's birth control mandate warn that a ruling against it could conceivably declare open season on virtually any law that a person or business can mount a religious-based objection to. If Hobby Lobby can be exempt because of its owners' Christian beliefs, Justice Elena Kagan wondered, what legal principle would stop other corporations from seeking religious-based exemptions from minimum wage or sex discrimination laws?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/john-roberts-birth-control-reasoning

and this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/the-religious-liberty-campaign-may-be-backfiring-for-conservatives
 
sturg33 said:
I happen to work in the insurance industry (not health insurance). I understand how insurance works and makes money.

I don't think a man should have to support women's contraceptives. But I'm a radical - so...
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:facepalm:
 
sturg33 said:
I happen to work in the insurance industry (not health insurance). I understand how insurance works and makes money.

I don't think a man should have to support women's contraceptives. But I'm a radical - so...
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And I get that, but if your company currently provides contraception in its health plan, everybody is going to pay for it, just like everyone pays for stents for smokers who suffer heart disease and obese people that need knee replacements. I understand premium rates within a pool do vary, but there's no way that someone isn't subsidizing something that someone else will use that he or she won't.
 
50PoundHead said:
And I get that, but if your company currently provides contraception in its health plan, everybody is going to pay for it, just like everyone pays for stents for smokers who suffer heart disease and obese people that need knee replacements. I understand premium rates within a pool do vary, but there's no way that someone isn't subsidizing something that someone else will use that he or she won't.
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Sure - but our company offers buy up plans for things like that... I don't buy up for contraception.

Also, our company makes us to bio metric screenings once a year, and if we are a smoker, we have a 30% premium increase.
 
sturg33 said:
Sure - but our company offers buy up plans for things like that... I don't buy up for contraception.

Also, our company makes us to bio metric screenings once a year, and if we are a smoker, we have a 30% premium increase.
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But you do buy up a lot of other stuff that other people use that you don't.
 
57Brave said:
And the common thread is the much bigger trend across the country. “Individuals and entities with religious objections to certain laws that protect others are seeking to use their religion to trump others,” Brigitte Amiri, senior staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union’s Reproductive Freedom Project, told Salon.

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/hob..._secretly_funding_a_vast_right_wing_movement/
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I strongly believe in religious freedom, but what I see happening is not the exercise of religious freedom, but an attempt to unravel the social contract through a straw man argument. I have yet to see any church doors chained shut in the country.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer that women have contraception. It's a lot cheaper than than getting them pregnant. Contraception is a lot cheaper than having kids. That is for the government, insurance, and men in general.
 
Coredor the issue is the right believes intervening in the reproduction process is basically abortion. Prevention of sperm meeting egg. Life begins as soon as they meet.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Coredor the issue is the right believes intervening in the reproduction process is basically abortion. Prevention of sperm meeting egg. Life begins as soon as they meet.
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I know that crowd's deal on it although it blows my mind. I was talking more about the people who were saying they didn't want to pay for contraception because they don't use it.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Coredor the issue is the right believes intervening in the reproduction process is basically abortion. Prevention of sperm meeting egg. Life begins as soon as they meet.
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Agree at a level. There is a part of the pro-life movement that has become an anti-sex movement.
 
Late to this conversation, but I have a question for the men who are against contraception being covered. You do realize that you are talking about women who are married, in relationships, AND those who prefer to play the field a bit...right? It's not just for those bad girls out there who are having sex 24/7. I'm just stunned at you men who would cut off your noses to spite your face. Who the heck do you think these women are having sex with??? Do you prefer paying for tons of unwanted pregnancies? But hey...if you prefer no sex, condoms, or changing diapers....who am I to judge? Just remember....many insurance policies also covers Viagra, penis pumps, ED, implants, vasectomies, and circumcision. I don't mind paying for that stuff......MY HUSBAND may suffer an injury or illness where he needed sexual health care.....
 
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