Cops gun down legal carrying citizen

[Oklahomahawk]

Your John Kasich folksy ignorance playbook gets a bit old at times. Obviously to anyone who can read I've pointed out that racism exists. I've also pointed out that poor people are disadvantaged when it comes to the justice system. I think maybe I've rocked the boat a bit when it comes to the blind acceptance that systematic racism exists. To that I accept guilt.

Well someone's in a pissy mood. I'll tell you what if you wish to continue this conversation give me your definition of "systemic racism" and we can go from there. Until then my folksy ignorance playbook ass and I will waiting. I guess I should be complimented that you compared me to a conservative, so thanks?

 

[50PoundHead]

No he was found alive still. I made a thread about it a while ago.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was under the impression he had joined the Eternal Choir of Cox Deriders in the Great Beyond.

 

[Runnin]

No he was found alive still. I made a thread about it a while ago.

That makes it sound like he was left for dead but refused to die.

 

[50PoundHead]

Wrong I have NEVER advocated voilence against police officers. Hello my Mother is a retired cop. My Uncle is a cop. 4 cousins are cops and 2 are NJ state Troopers. My god father who is Italian is a Newark Detective.

No never against cops. Im against bad cops who hurt the reputations of great cops who put their lives on the line each damn day!!!!! Please get it right!!!!!

Thanks for being here. We need a lot of voices on the site and I find yours refreshing.

 

[njc108]

Thanks for being here. We need a lot of voices on the site and I find yours refreshing.

Thanks. I just want to give a black and female prospective on things. But again I do not represent all blacks. What I do know is that unlike what another proster stated above I have never lived in the hood, lived off the government, had an abortion, No GED (I have a Masters and hopefully a PHd soon which was paid for in cash not by government), nor do I have a criminal record. Oh I also dont purchase luxury items such as hand bags etc. I need a discount cause LV does not pay me or my bills lol.

 

[weso1]

But if the political goal is to alleviate feelings of discrimination, no end point can ever be reached so long as a disproportionate number of black people end up in prison. And a disproportionate number of black people end up in prison not because of discrimination in the criminal-justice system, but because a disproportionate number of black people commit crimes.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...hootings-not-helpful?target=author&tid=902806

 

[cajunrevenge]

What I dont think people understand is that we are all criminals. Its just a matter of who they focus the hardest on. Who here can say that they have never committed a felony. We have all done stupid **** we arent proud of. Something as simple as public urination can make you a registered sex offender. We could all be multiple time felons if the cops showed up at the right(or should I say wrong) time in our lives. Just because one person gets caught and you dont doesnt make you less of a criminal. We need to simplify the criminal code and stop ruining peoples lives unless they are a danger to other people.

 

[weso1]

What I dont think people understand is that we are all criminals. Its just a matter of who they focus the hardest on. Who here can say that they have never committed a felony. We have all done stupid **** we arent proud of. Something as simple as public urination can make you a registered sex offender. We could all be multiple time felons if the cops showed up at the right(or should I say wrong) time in our lives. Just because one person gets caught and you dont doesnt make you less of a criminal. We need to simplify the criminal code and stop ruining peoples lives unless they are a danger to other people.

But there are more cops in high violent crime communities. Blacks commit 40 - 50 percent of murders. There should be a higher police presence in those communities, and there are. And if there are more cops in those communities then obviously more folks are going to get caught doing stuff. And the vast majority of folks are in state prison because of violent crime, stolen property, drunk driving or gun charges. So let's not pretend there are a bunch of folks in state prison for peeing on a girl in public.

 

[sturg33]

I read that it's a federal offense to share you netflix password

 

[Trumps' twitter guy]

I love the blacks.

 

[jpx7]

I read that it's a federal offense to share you netflix password

That was poor, panic-mongering reporting.

The case concerned (and ultimately ruled against) someone who had knowingly used a former coworker's login credentials without permission to access his company's database after his database privileges had been revoked (following his termination as an employee). The argument authored by the lead judge noted, under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, that the panel did not find a "workable line which separates the consensual password sharing in this case from the consensual password sharing of millions of legitimate account holders," because the former employee had been given the coworker's password prior to termination but then subsequently and explicitly misused it following termination. This is the line that seems to be inducing panic. But the lead judge also noted that he "would hold that consensual password sharing [ie letting your friends/family use your Netflix or HBO-Go] is not the kind of 'hacking' covered by the [Computer Fraud and Abuse Act]".

 

[sturg33]

That was poor, panic-mongering reporting.

The case concerned (and ultimately ruled against) someone who had knowingly used a former coworker's login credentials without permission to access his company's database after his database privileges had been revoked (following his termination as an employee). The argument authored by the lead judge noted, under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, that the panel did not find a "workable line which separates the consensual password sharing in this case from the consensual password sharing of millions of legitimate account holders," because the former employee had been given the coworker's password prior to termination but then subsequently and explicitly misused it following termination. This is the line that seems to be inducing panic. But the lead judge also noted that he "would hold that consensual password sharing [ie letting your friends/family use your Netflix or HBO-Go] is not the kind of 'hacking' covered by the [Computer Fraud and Abuse Act]".

Thanks for the explanation... I admit to being fooled on the headline and not investigating further

 

[50PoundHead]

What I dont think people understand is that we are all criminals. Its just a matter of who they focus the hardest on. Who here can say that they have never committed a felony. We have all done stupid **** we arent proud of. Something as simple as public urination can make you a registered sex offender. We could all be multiple time felons if the cops showed up at the right(or should I say wrong) time in our lives. Just because one person gets caught and you dont doesnt make you less of a criminal. We need to simplify the criminal code and stop ruining peoples lives unless they are a danger to other people.

I've never committed a felony, but I drove drunk about 1,000 times before I dried out. Got stopped once when I was totally tanked and made an illegal U-turn but talked my way out of it.

The big thing that I believe weso is ignoring is that it's not simply the committing of the crime that's the problem, it's access to decent legal representation that probably matters the most. Public defenders are overworked and plead out a bunch of stuff and that usually gives the poor--black, white, or otherwise--a criminal record that follows them around like genital herpes. White suburban kids doing the same crap have their parents pay for a private attorney that can give the case a lot more attention and often have connections that can lead to a lesser penalty.

It's out of the box and probably not totally applicable to the conversation, but does anyone here honestly think that if Brock Turner had been a poor minority rapist, he would have been treated as leniently as the real-life Brock Turner? Now granted that was the judge's sentencing decision, but I think it's a valid example of how race may play a role in cases like that. Of course, one can't prove the negative, so this isn't the proper use of logic, but I think it's at the very least instructive as to how connections and celebrity can lead to disparate treatment in the criminal justice system.

 

[weso1]

The big thing that I believe weso is ignoring is that it's not simply the committing of the crime that's the problem, it's access to decent legal representation that probably matters the most. Public defenders are overworked and plead out a bunch of stuff and that usually gives the poor--black, white, or otherwise--a criminal record that follows them around like genital herpes. White suburban kids doing the same crap have their parents pay for a private attorney that can give the case a lot more attention and often have connections that can lead to a lesser penalty.

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I agree and have already acknowledged that the system benefits the wealthy. You are 100% correct about public defenders. But if you are a wealthy black man, you can literally get away with murder. I think it's important to distinguish the difference between a system that benefits people based on income level rather than race. Otherwise you're fighting the wrong issue. I also believe that peddling the idea that the system is racist, without sufficient evidence, could potentially be harmful to black people. Think about being a young black person and it's beaten into your mind the idea that you are screwed from the start. There's no way out, because the system is rigged. How many black people who hear this message do you think just give up? But if we tell them what I think is the truth, which is that the system isn't racist but the system is obviously easier for people who have a decent income, then maybe they won't give up. Again, I'm not saying that there aren't individuals who are racist within the system. So instead of basing policy around the idea that the system is racist, we should base policy on getting kids to graduate high school, go to college or get a job and don't have a kid until you can afford it. That's how you get out of a system that is not ideal for the poor.

 

[50PoundHead]

I agree that the poor of all races are at a disadvantage, but you've readily admitted that police seem to patrol African-American neighborhoods much more aggressively than they do other neighborhoods and thus get arrested with greater frequency than white people in the same economic strata, which puts more of them into the system.

 

[weso1]

I agree that the poor of all races are at a disadvantage, but you've readily admitted that police seem to patrol African-American neighborhoods much more aggressively than they do other neighborhoods and thus get arrested with greater frequency than white people in the same economic strata, which puts more of them into the system.

Because a disproportionate amount of violent crime occurs in many of those areas. Of course police are going to patrol high violent crime areas more than they do low violent crime areas. That's not racism. What would be racist is if they didn't have increased patrols in those areas.

You also have more police presence at Universities as opposed to large retirement areas or family neighborhoods. That's not ageism.

 

[weso1]

I agree that the poor of all races are at a disadvantage, but you've readily admitted that police seem to patrol African-American neighborhoods much more aggressively than they do other neighborhoods and thus get arrested with greater frequency than white people in the same economic strata, which puts more of them into the system.

We both agree that there are more black people in prison than should be by a wide margin. I think the question we need to find a solution to is why are there more in prison than should be? I think you would argue it's because of systematic racism. I argue that it's because of culture.

 

[Krgrecw]

We both agree that there are more black people in prison than should be by a wide margin. I think the question we need to find a solution to is why are there more in prison than should be? I think you would argue it's because of systematic racism. I argue that it's because of culture.

It's more than just culture, there's also some genetics involved.

 

[jpx7]

It's more than just culture, there's also some genetics involved.

Except for all the behavioral genetics findings that explicitly refute that supposition.

 

[weso1]

It's more than just culture, there's also some genetics involved.

Evidence?