Dan Uggla, Tommy La Stella

sturg33 said:
IMO, our best options for 2b internally are:

1. TLS

2. Uggla

3. Pena

4. Pastornicky
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I'd put Pena above Hoot until he proves he couldn't handle it. Just me personally.

Not calling up TLS late last year gives me the feeling that TLS doesn't have a whole lot of support in the FO. Maybe just some nonbelievers, or maybe just some folks that think his D wont cut it, but i feel like there is something there.
 
I think it had more to do with narrowing it down to EJ and Uggla for postseason than giving TLS a chance in less than a month.
 
Tapate50 said:
I'd put Pena above Hoot until he proves he couldn't handle it. Just me personally.

Not calling up TLS late last year gives me the feeling that TLS doesn't have a whole lot of support in the FO. Maybe just some nonbelievers, or maybe just some folks that think his D wont cut it, but i feel like there is something there.
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It does surprise me how little Pena has played thus far. 19 March/April ABs this year after 43 last season.

Also agree on La Stella. Kid can obviously put the ball in play and his walk rate would likely be pretty good. Sometimes an organization makes a judgement on a guy they simply refuse to shake. Don't know if that has what has happened here or not.

Bottom line, I don't know how many times Fredi has had to go back to the hardware store to buy more rope for Uggla.
 
Tapate50 said:
I'd put Pena above Hoot until he proves he couldn't handle it. Just me personally.

Not calling up TLS late last year gives me the feeling that TLS doesn't have a whole lot of support in the FO. Maybe just some nonbelievers, or maybe just some folks that think his D wont cut it, but i feel like there is something there.
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I don't think there was anything like that going on. A guy who hasn't played above AA in the last part of a pennant race, seems more likely to me. Also, if they'll play Uggla at 2B, they'd play LaStella. I like to see guys regularly before making judgements, especially about defense, but my sense is that LaStella is OK.

They have had 26 million reasons to stick with Uggla, but it's nearing time to make a move. He needs dramatic improvement in the next month.
 
We ALL knew Uggla was going to get about 5-6 weeks as one last chance to prove himself. That time period is almost up, and he has proven that he doesn't belong on a WS caliber starting lineup.

The next step will be some 3 headed platoon and Pena/Pastor/Uggla at 2B for a month or so. When/if that doesn't work out, expect to see TLS given a shot around the middle/end of June. When/if that doesn't work out, expect to see Wren working the trade market for an average MLB quality guy to play 2B.

There is most likely very little cash available due to the Santana signing, so look for Wren to give up a better package to get the other team to eat most of the new guy's salary.
 
Enscheff said:
We ALL knew Uggla was going to get about 5-6 weeks as one last chance to prove himself. That time period is almost up, and he has proven that he doesn't belong on a WS caliber starting lineup.

The next step will be some 3 headed platoon and Pena/Pastor/Uggla at 2B for a month or so. When/if that doesn't work out, expect to see TLS given a shot around the middle/end of June. When/if that doesn't work out, expect to see Wren working the trade market for an average MLB quality guy to play 2B.

There is most likely very little cash available due to the Santana signing, so look for Wren to give up a better package to get the other team to eat most of the new guy's salary.
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That's the logic of the situation. La Stella's performance in AAA has increased my optimism that an internal solution can be found. Things would have to be pretty dire for Wren to look for an external upgrade.
 
Ideally, TLS can post a .350 OBP at the MLB level and the lineup by June can be:

TLS
JUP
Freeman
Gattis
Heyward
Simmons
CJ
BJ

Until then, we are stuck watching 2 guys with sub-300 OBPs hitting in front of 2 MVP candidates and a catcher who is on pace to hit 40 bombs.

The heart of the lineup should very obviously be JUp/Freeman/Gattis (in that order), but SOMEONE has to hit leadoff, and right now the next highest OBP is Simmons at like .307. Not exactly the stuff WS championship offenses are made of...
 
Enscheff said:
Ideally, TLS can post a .350 OBP at the MLB level and the lineup by June can be:

TLS
JUP
Freeman
Gattis
Heyward
Simmons
CJ
BJ

Until then, we are stuck watching 2 guys with sub-300 OBPs hitting in front of 2 MVP candidates and a catcher who is on pace to hit 40 bombs.

The heart of the lineup should very obviously be JUp/Freeman/Gattis (in that order), but SOMEONE has to hit leadoff, and right now the next highest OBP is Simmons at like .307. Not exactly the stuff WS championship offenses are made of...
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The batting order issues will sort themselves out. But we can't carry two guys (Uggla and BJ) with sub .600 OPS even if they were hitting 7th and 8th. No matter how good the rest of the lineup and the pitching is. I know Heyward is also sub .600 OPS too at the moment, but I'm much less concerned about him, for reasons that I hope are obvious.
 
50PoundHead said:
It does surprise me how little Pena has played thus far. 19 March/April ABs this year after 43 last season.

Bottom line, I don't know how many times Fredi has had to go back to the hardware store to buy more rope for Uggla.
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Surprises me too! Any reports on his health?

Hardware store ------ yeah, nice
 
Tell you guys one thing - when the starting pitching starts to come back a little closer to earth, there will be a more pressing need for the offense to carry more of its share of the load. If Heyward doesn't start at least hitting his weight, then the situation will be more pronounced. The reason that he's given a free pass around here for poor performance at the plate is that he doesn't make Uggla & BJ money.
 
57Brave said:
Surprises me too! Any reports on his health?

Hardware store ------ yeah, nice
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It shouldn't be surprising, Pena only started 6 games at 2B last year, with 5 and 7 at 3B and SS respectively. This year he has 2 starts at 3B and 2 at SS. 2B is only part of the problem but he's playing less at 3B and SS as well.
 
Knucksie said:
Tell you guys one thing - when the starting pitching starts to come back a little closer to earth, there will be a more pressing need for the offense to carry more of its share of the load. If Heyward doesn't start at least hitting his weight, then the situation will be more pronounced. The reason that he's given a free pass around here for poor performance at the plate is that he doesn't make Uggla & BJ money.
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I'll say it again, that I'm only agitated at Uggla because of his defense. If he was hitting homeruns and walking at a good rate like before, I wouldn't be upset with him. But his defense has nearly cost us some wins and cost our pitching to have to face extra batters and blow leads.

Upton is going to be solid defensively as is Heyward. If Upton hits singles the rest of the season, I wouldn't be thrilled but I'd be meh. It'd be better than trotting Schafer out there IMO. We're stuck with BJ 3 more years, Uggla 1. Give BJ more time to sort it out, Uggla out.
 
I'd love to see Tommy get called up, but we know Uggs will get all the chances in the world to "turn it around" even though he's really been trying to do just that for 3 years. Tommy will get a chance if uggla keeps struggling, it just might be a little later than we'd all like. If he was walking more and playing passable defense it'd be different, but it's been all bad this year so far.
 
zitothebrave said:
It shouldn't be surprising, Pena only started 6 games at 2B last year, with 5 and 7 at 3B and SS respectively. This year he has 2 starts at 3B and 2 at SS. 2B is only part of the problem but he's playing less at 3B and SS as well.
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I think that's the point. He had 43 PAs last season at this point and he only has 19 this season. He caddied for Johnson quite a bit to start last season and he's not doing that either. Bench hasn't played a lot. Laird and Doumit spelling Gattis (with Doumit getting some time in the OF), but that's about it.

All I'm saying is that with Uggla playing so poorly, I'm a bit surprised that Fredi hasn't run someone else out there.
 
Fredi is usually pretty good at getting his bench guys enough games to stay sharp. For some reason he has gotten away from that so far this year. I suspect the reason is that he wants to create as much of a psychologically positive environment as possible for the guys who have been struggling. The fact that the team is doing well has also made it easier to invest in those fragile psyches.
 
nsacpi said:
Fredi is usually pretty good at getting his bench guys enough games to stay sharp. For some reason he has gotten away from that so far this year. I suspect the reason is that he wants to create as much of a psychologically positive environment as possible for the guys who have been struggling. The fact that the team is doing well has also made it easier to invest in those fragile psyches.
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That isn't true, actually. He has always had trouble managing the bench and bullpen. Just look at the numbers.
 
Dalyn said:
That isn't true, actually. He has always had trouble managing the bench and bullpen. Just look at the numbers.
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He seemed to shuffle guys in and out a lot more last season. It seemed that Pena was either starting or in the game as a late-inning defensive replacement a ton early last season. I could be wrong.
 
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