Acuña’s Bat Flip
NL Rookie of the Year
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Dansby Swanson
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DirkPiggler
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Acuña’s Bat Flip;663185 said:
One plays half his games in a glorified softball park.
The other is Swanson.
CyYoung31
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And the eye test backed up those metrics. He had so many hard hit outs last year, we bitched about it a lot.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
This is some pretty dumb cherry-picking. Even if you think these kinds of stats are somehow more telling than the actual fact that one guy has hit better than the other, the poster left out some pretty important information:
Launch angle
2019: 14.2 % for Swanson v. 17.4% for Torres.
Career: 11.7% for Swanson v. 18% for Torres.
LD:FB Ratio
2019: 1.05 for Swanson v. 0.81 for Torres.
Career: 1.24 for Swanson v. 0.80 for Torres.
HR/FB
2019: 12.6% for Swanson v. 21.5% for Torres
Career: 9.8% for Swanson v. 19.9% for Torres
Both guys hit for blah average, both have blah BB/K ratios. The main, huge, obvious difference between Dansby and Torres is that broadly speaking Torres hits bombs and Dansby hits liners (which this guy masks by adding FB% + LD% together because... reasons?). That's not "luck" or "noise." (Dansby was probably unlucky on liners, though). Bombs > Liners, so the guy who does the former is better, all things equal. Looking at the underlying stats and just ignoring this is silly. This is something I could figure out using stats invented in 1869. Let's not miss the forest for the trees here.
Besides, if we are gonna play this game, let's do it all the way:
Barrel %
Swanson 2019: 10.1%
Mookie Betts 2017: 4.5%
Launch Angle
Swanson '19: 14.2%
Betts '17: 14.1%
Exit Velo
Swanson: 89.8
Betts: 88.4
SweetSpot %
Swanson: 32.1
Betts: 32.5
Hard Hit %
Swanson: 41.6
Betts: 37.9
LD% + FB%
Swanson: 57.8%
Betts: 46.4%
Dansby for MVP. I'm in.
Launch angle
2019: 14.2 % for Swanson v. 17.4% for Torres.
Career: 11.7% for Swanson v. 18% for Torres.
LD:FB Ratio
2019: 1.05 for Swanson v. 0.81 for Torres.
Career: 1.24 for Swanson v. 0.80 for Torres.
HR/FB
2019: 12.6% for Swanson v. 21.5% for Torres
Career: 9.8% for Swanson v. 19.9% for Torres
Both guys hit for blah average, both have blah BB/K ratios. The main, huge, obvious difference between Dansby and Torres is that broadly speaking Torres hits bombs and Dansby hits liners (which this guy masks by adding FB% + LD% together because... reasons?). That's not "luck" or "noise." (Dansby was probably unlucky on liners, though). Bombs > Liners, so the guy who does the former is better, all things equal. Looking at the underlying stats and just ignoring this is silly. This is something I could figure out using stats invented in 1869. Let's not miss the forest for the trees here.
Besides, if we are gonna play this game, let's do it all the way:
Barrel %
Swanson 2019: 10.1%
Mookie Betts 2017: 4.5%
Launch Angle
Swanson '19: 14.2%
Betts '17: 14.1%
Exit Velo
Swanson: 89.8
Betts: 88.4
SweetSpot %
Swanson: 32.1
Betts: 32.5
Hard Hit %
Swanson: 41.6
Betts: 37.9
LD% + FB%
Swanson: 57.8%
Betts: 46.4%
Dansby for MVP. I'm in.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
I think the point is that we haven't seen the best of Dansby yet and he's a much better player than he's shown.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Based on... what exactly? Torres' HR/FB was identical home/away (21.5% v. 21.4%). Yankee Stadium actually has a lower RHB HR park factor (95) than [InsertBank] Park (99). Torres hit more homers on the road than Dansby hit all season. Batters can have wildly different different natural/career HR/FB (Juan Pierre: 1.2% v. Joey Gallo: 30.3%.).
I love Dansby and think he has a good chance of turning into a great player. I just don't need bad stat hygiene to come to that conclusion.
Based on me thinking Yankee Stadium was still a home run haven. Did they make a change at some point? Because when they first built that thing balls were flying out like it was major leaguers in a little league park.