David Price expects to be dealt

zitothebrave said:
That's why you take a solid gamble and if it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. Presuming we don't keep Mac we'll have a healthy chunk of gambling cash for 1 year since we'll need the money the following year.
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Problem with that is, I don't think it will come cheap enough for us to be able to outbid his other suitors.
 
Price's innings will be lowered under Fredi. no DH in the NL, so Fredi will PH for him by the 6th or 7th innings no matter his pitch count.
 
NYCBrave said:
Problem with that is, I don't think it will come cheap enough for us to be able to outbid his other suitors.
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Could be the case, Or it may not. Other flyer options include Halladay, Carpenter, and Haren. We have basically a few guys we can throw a handful of millions at if we let Mac leave. That's including a modest sum going to Hudson to stick around as well. Odds are we can bring in one of those types on a flyer.
 
KeithLockhart said:
Price's innings will be lowered under Fredi. no DH in the NL, so Fredi will PH for him by the 6th or 7th innings no matter his pitch count.
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Honestly I dont blame Fredi for taking pitchers out when he does. By and large pitchers lose effectiveness after 100 pitches and it can lead to injuries if done consistently. Bottom line is Fredi is going to give starters 100-105 pitches, if starters want to go deep into games then they need to be efficient with their pitches. I was not a fan of Bobby's philosophy of leaving starters in the game till they blow the lead. Many times it was painfully obvious the pitcher was toast and Bobby would still run them out there, let them load the bases, then bring in the pen without the starter even making an out in the inning.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Honestly I dont blame Fredi for taking pitchers out when he does. By and large pitchers lose effectiveness after 100 pitches and it can lead to injuries if done consistently. Bottom line is Fredi is going to give starters 100-105 pitches, if starters want to go deep into games then they need to be efficient with their pitches. I was not a fan of Bobby's philosophy of leaving starters in the game till they blow the lead. Many times it was painfully obvious the pitcher was toast and Bobby would still run them out there, let them load the bases, then bring in the pen without the starter even making an out in the inning.
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Agreed but not every pitcher loses effectiveness after 100 pitches.

Some of our guys will never know their limits until they test it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Honestly I dont blame Fredi for taking pitchers out when he does. By and large pitchers lose effectiveness after 100 pitches and it can lead to injuries if done consistently. Bottom line is Fredi is going to give starters 100-105 pitches, if starters want to go deep into games then they need to be efficient with their pitches. I was not a fan of Bobby's philosophy of leaving starters in the game till they blow the lead. Many times it was painfully obvious the pitcher was toast and Bobby would still run them out there, let them load the bases, then bring in the pen without the starter even making an out in the inning.
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The 100 pitch limit is dumb. Some guys lose their effectiveness earlier and some later. Constantly pitching over 100 pitches doesn't lead to injury. Bad mechanics or pitching through injuries leads to injuries. I thin kthe best proof I can provide is Randy Johnson. He had some small injury issues later in his career with his knee, but he was a guy who threw 100+ pitches almost every start in his prime. From 1990-2002 RJ threw 52 starts under 100 pitches and 204 with 120 pitches or more.

You have to assess every pitcher differently. For example Hudson seemingly loses everything in the tank before he hits 110. Everytime I remember him going over 110 he started getting rocked.

A pitcher who throws mainly fastballs and changes and doesn't lose too much velocity or command as the game wears on probably is fine to stick out there longer than one who doesn't.
 
The 100 pitch or 6 innings limits are arbitrary, as mentioned. These might also be contributing factors in the number of arm and elbow injuries, because younger pitchers aren't building up adequate arm strength. Leo's philosophy, based on what he learned from Johnny Sain, was to throw between starts. Notice that there wasn't a lot of DL time from Braves starters during that period. John Smoltz had TJ surgery, but remember that he threw a slider, which causes greater stress on the elbow ligaments.

Still, it's silly to pin the current trend on Fredi. It's common practice all around baseball.
 
Imo the best play is just resign Tim Hudson for a year. He will be cheap and he can retire a Brave. Go with Hudson-Medlen-Minor-Tehran-Wood with Beachy in mid season if someone needs to be replaced.

Go hard after Kershaw the next offseason. Guys a stud.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
Saw that but Peavy was reluctant before. Would he even have interest in coming to Atlanta. What about Lester? IIRC we had some interest in him couple years ago.
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Don't think that Peavy was so much reluctant about going to the Braves, as much as expressing concerns about how the roster would be composed after completion of the trade. BTW, he'd lend a veteran presence, but his days as Cy Young-caliber, or at least ace, appear to be behind him.
 
Perfect Cell said:
Imo the best play is just resign Tim Hudson for a year. He will be cheap and he can retire a Brave. Go with Hudson-Medlen-Minor-Tehran-Wood with Beachy in mid season if someone needs to be replaced.

Go hard after Kershaw the next offseason. Guys a stud.
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Dodgers will pay him 30 mill a year.
 
This might've ben posted already, but Bowman thinks that at least kick the tires about Price:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/atl...md=20131011&content_id=62832412&vkey=news_atl

The Braves could benefit from the addition of a legitimate ace. While the free-agent market will not include a pitcher that fits this description, Atlanta could be among the clubs that at least look at what it might take to acquire David Price from the Rays.
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Surprised about the possibility of non-tendering Venters though.
 
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