David Price

Well that's an interesting take on the Tex trade. imagining we still had those players instead. The problem with the Tex trade was we emptied our farm and we weren't that good. Let's say we traded Salty and Escobar for some propsects or a starter because they were MLB ready. Then we could have traded ANdrus when Simmons was ready and gotten a prospect haul for thme.

The Tex trade has to be looked at the value of what happened then, we traded 3 A prospects a B/C prospect and a throw in. If we kept those A prospects they could have been used in another trade.
 
Trading peraza would a huge mistake. Do the Braves have the money right now considering the Heyward/Upton situations to extend PRice?
 
The thing about Price is he costs a lot in $. He is good but he isn't 15 mill a year better than Wood or Gattis. If they are going to hold out for a current mlb player as good as Wood or Gattis then Price will stay put.

Also if we got Zobrist we would not extend him. Just play thru 2015 then adios.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well that's an interesting take on the Tex trade. imagining we still had those players instead. The problem with the Tex trade was we emptied our farm and we weren't that good. Let's say we traded Salty and Escobar for some propsects or a starter because they were MLB ready. Then we could have traded ANdrus when Simmons was ready and gotten a prospect haul for thme.

The Tex trade has to be looked at the value of what happened then, we traded 3 A prospects a B/C prospect and a throw in. If we kept those A prospects they could have been used in another trade.
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Only by fans on message boards and at the bar.

Tell me my take on any of those guys we traded is wrong. I'll be happy to admit I am, but you and I both know I'm not.

I love prospects as much as anyone, but they don't win Championships.
 
clvclv said:
Only by fans on message boards and at the bar.

Tell me my take on any of those guys we traded is wrong. I'll be happy to admit I am, but you and I both know I'm not.

I love prospects as much as anyone, but they don't win Championships.
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This is absurd. They help.

Free Agents don't win championships either!
 
thethe said:
Trading peraza would a huge mistake. Do the Braves have the money right now considering the Heyward/Upton situations to extend PRice?
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If you believe La Stella could turn into a pumpkin (which I know you don't).

Would La Stella be a downgrade from a future Peraza? Probably. The question is, is that downgrade more than the upgrade from Santana to Price at the top of your rotation and upgrade from Harang to Wood at the bottom of it for the rest of this season and all of next? I don't think so personally.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The thing about Price is he costs a lot in $. He is good but he isn't 15 mill a year better than Wood or Gattis. If they are going to hold out for a current mlb player as good as Wood or Gattis then Price will stay put.

Also if we got Zobrist we would not extend him. Just play thru 2015 then adios.
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Agreed. Without a signed extension at significantly below market value, there's no way I'd trade either of them in ANY package.

FWIW, I think Gattis is the most "untouchable" asset that's not already signed long-term at this point.
 
Are the Braves going to spend 130 million on payroll? When is price going to have his inevitable Tommy John surgery?

Peraza is about as blue chip of a prospect as it gets. The Braves are going to need cheap players real soon. Kid is 19 and earned a promotion to AA. Sorry, but there is no way I am trading him. This kid is a better prospect than Andrus was.
 
thethe said:
This is absurd. They help.

Free Agents don't win championships either!
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No player I mentioned has any chance of being a piece that helps win a Championship in 2014 or 2015, and maybe even 2016. Definitely not Sims or Cabrera. Peraza will be left in the minors until he so absolutely outperforms La Stella that you have to sell low on TLS to get him in the lineup. Bethancourt won't be the everyday Catcher in Atlanta before 2016 at the earliest.

When will they help more than getting you a top of the rotation Pitcher in return helps you for the next two years? At that point one of Heyward or J-Up is likely gone, and last I checked none of those guys is a potential replacement for either of them.

I just think it's always funny that everyone screams - "We're so close if we just had that "Ace". Here's your chance to get him by dealing pieces that won't negatively impact your MLB team for the next three years, but you'd rather HOPE those guys eventually turn out to be better than what we've already got.
 
You have to develop aces and not trade for them. Especially not one with so many miles on him. In the next three years Price will have Tommy John surgery. You don't trade Peraza.
 
thethe said:
Are the Braves going to spend 130 million on payroll? When is price going to have his inevitable Tommy John surgery?

Peraza is about as blue chip of a prospect as it gets. The Braves are going to need cheap players real soon. Kid is 19 and earned a promotion to AA. Sorry, but there is no way I am trading him. This kid is a better prospect than Andrus was.
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You willing to trade Simba to get him in the lineup? I was on Peraza's jock before anyone else here was, and I was way ahead of the BA guys, Sickels, and Mayo on him (I had Gattis as #3 on my 2013 list and Peraza at #8 when you couldn't find them talked about anywhere).

If including him in a deal that upgrades the rotation as much as Price would, I'll happily take the step down from him to La Stella at 2B.

The Braves need "cheap" players that can play CF and 3B real soon - unfortunately he doesn't play one of those positions.
 
clvclv said:
You willing to trade Simba to get him in the lineup? I was on Peraza's jock before anyone else here was, and I was way ahead of the BA guys, Sickels, and Mayo on him (I had Gattis as #3 on my 2013 list and Peraza at #8 when you couldn't find them talked about anywhere).

If including him in a deal that upgrades the rotation as much as Price would, I'll happily take the step down from him to La Stella at 2B.

The Braves need "cheap" players that can play CF and 3B real soon - unfortunately he doesn't play one of those positions.
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The Braves have power at plenty of positions. Peraza would be just fine at third base. And with his speed he could easily play CF adquately.

Why would you trade for a starting pitcher who has thrown so many innings. Its only a matter of time.
 
Peraza is not a top prospect at this time. He has some potential, but he is not someone you think twice about trading for Price. Price is an interesting case, cause his value is about as low as it can be, and there likely won't be as many bidders. On the other hand, the Rays are also aware of this, and are not the type of team to take low on value on a player, especially one of their most well known/liked players.

But it isn't gonna happen anyways. We already have a logjam in the rotation. We have enough starting pitching. We just need a lot of BP help and a bench bat.
 
Price has given up a lot of homers which I think is partly a result of playing in AL East snd partly a fluke. His other peripheral stats are good. Last I looked he had the highest k rate of his career. I think he would dominate the NL.

As for Peraza, I agree he isn't a super prospect but could be top 50 if he holds his own at AA. I still don't want to trade him because we need aright handed top of the order hitter. I am also a big fan of having plus defenders up the middle. Him and simmons will be a great defensive duo. Like clvclv said ee need quality cheap players to fill some positions so we can afford the big contracts.
 
Persoally this is who I would go after

James Russell and Emilio Bonifacio from the cubs.

I also would talk to them about Hammel.

I.Don't think the braves should go after a big time SP. A quality 3rd would be ok.
 
A quality #3 would help us make the playoffs but I actually want to advance this time. The only proven formula for winning in the playoffs is having multiple aces. Price/Teheran/Wood/Minor would be a sick playoff rotation.
 
cajunrevenge said:
A quality #3 would help us make the playoffs but I actually want to advance this time. The only proven formula for winning in the playoffs is having multiple aces. Price/Teheran/Wood/Minor would be a sick playoff rotation.
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Maddux Smoltz glavine have 1 ring. There are no proven formulas
 
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