Doctors Versus Society

thethe said:
Why would it be a surprise when I studied math for a large portion of my educational life?

That is why I am adamant when I state lath is the only logic you'll ever need.
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cuz you said in post #36 "math is the only logic you never (sic) need"

someone familiar with the field would not say something like that

logic is a subset of math

not the other way around
 
nsacpi said:
cuz you said in post #36 "math is the only logic you never (sic) need"

someone familiar with the field would not say something like that

logic is a subset of math

not the other way around
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In every problem you encounter, whether in life or in a science like math, logic is used to get to a solution. Logic is a way of thought and therefore is practiced in all forms of mathematics.
 
thethe said:
Logic is a way of thought and therefore is practiced in all forms of mathematics.
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not really

I've taken courses (plural) in logic...one of my undergraduate majors was mathematics...logic is a branch of mathematics...just one of a number of branches

a mathematician who specializes say in differential geometry would not say that the tools of logic are important to his work

but one who specializes in set theory would say that it is
 
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Krgrecw said:
Is health care a right? If joe blow can’t afford a doctor should we have to pay for it if he can’t?
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If Joe Blow can't afford it, he's likely on medicaid anyway. And if he can't afford treatment for his health problems, he likely won't be able to physically work either, which means he is on disability/unemployment. We already are paying for it whether you want to admit it or not.
 
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thethe said:
You are dead wrong about education. Please speak with some teachers in low income areas and ask how involved the parents are.
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The same teachers in low income areas will also tell you how they don't have the budget to improve their quality of education. Schools that receive lots of money have their students test higher than students from schools that receive significantly less money. These are facts.
 
Carp said:
The same teachers in low income areas will also tell you how they don't have the budget to improve their quality of education. Schools that receive lots of money have their students test higher than students from schools that receive significantly less money. These are facts.
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That's correlation and not causation.

Parental involvement in a childs life is the #1 factor in that childs life. Does not matter in what area. Education doesn't stop at the school and in fact is most effective via independent study and verification.

If that isnt happening no child will learn.
 
thethe said:
That's correlation and not causation.

Parental involvement in a childs life is the #1 factor in that childs life. Does not matter in what area. Education doesn't stop at the school and in fact is most effective via independent study and verification.

If that isnt happening no child will learn.
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Well that simply isn't true, or kids from broken homes would never graduate.

No one is arguing that parents not prioritizing education is a huge issue, hell I will even admit it's the main issue. And even then, there are societal issues (like Health care and income for instance) that even affect this. But this absolutely is not the SOLE reason. Several factors attribute to our failing education system.
 
Carp said:
Well that simply isn't true, or kids from broken homes would never graduate.

No one is arguing that parents not prioritizing education is a huge issue, hell I will even admit it's the main issue. And even then, there are societal issues (like Health care and income for instance) that even affect this. But this absolutely is not the SOLE reason. Several factors attribute to our failing education system.
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Thise other factors are effectively irrelevant in comparison to the impact that would result if parents were more involved with their child's education.

This is not a problem you can throw money at.
 
thethe said:
You are dead wrong about education. Please speak with some teachers in low income areas and ask how involved the parents are.
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I personally know many teachers in low income areas. And they don't usually cite parental involvement. They cite that a lot of the issues is that kids come to school hungry, tired, etc. I know plenty of teacher who's main complaint is parents being too involved. Johnny isn't always special, he's gonna get Cs, it's not his fault or the school's fault or the system's fault. Johnny isn't special.
 
thethe said:
I've been very clear in the past that accounting/finance/business/science/math/engineering are valid majors.
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Dis fool said business.

You do realize that no one who winds up running any major company majors in business. Bill Gates didn't major in business. Jeff Bezos didn't major in business, Bob Iger didn't major in business, Jack Welch didn't major in business. I could go on. Also personally I don't know many small business owners who majored in business. My brother who has an MBA is still working as not a business owner. Going to school for business is no different than any other means.
 
As someone with a BBA, I can assure you 100% that a liberal arts degree like mass communications will get you way more money in life. You'd be better off getting a 2 year technical degree than getting a BBA.
 
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Average doctor's salary:

U.S. $313K
UK $138K
Germany $163K
France $108K
Spain $63K

Question for Bernie and others advocating a massive increase in government involvement in providing medical care or insurance:

Is a massive cut in physician salaries a part of your vision for the future of the U.S. healthcare system under a Sanders administration? If so, don't you think you should warn the roughly one million U.S. physicians of that fact now? If not, is it realistic to expect the cost savings that you are promising?

I think we absolutely have to do something about how high medical care costs are relative to the rest of the world. And a big part of that is doctor's salaries. The obvious solution when the price of something is high is to increase supply. Increase the number of spots in medical schools. Make it easier for doctors trained abroad to immigrate and qualify to practice here.
 
I think it is good politics and good policy to delve into the reasons why medical care costs so much in this country, including why doctors salaries are so high. Voters will respond to an adult conversation.
 
nsacpi said:
Average doctor's salary:

U.S. $313K
UK $138K
Germany $163K
France $108K
Spain $63K

Question for Bernie and others advocating a massive increase in government involvement in providing medical care or insurance:

Is a massive cut in physician salaries a part of your vision for the future of the U.S. healthcare system under a Sanders administration? If so, don't you think you should warn the roughly one million U.S. physicians of that fact now? If not, is it realistic to expect the cost savings that you are promising?

I think we absolutely have to do something about how high medical care costs are relative to the rest of the world. And a big part of that is doctor's salaries. The obvious solution when the price of something is high is to increase supply. Increase the number of spots in medical schools. Make it easier for doctors trained abroad to immigrate and qualify to practice here.
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Maybe a way to soften the blow is to also offer some sort of student loan forgiveness program for doctors. Some government agencies already offer such programs to their own employees.
 
Carp said:
Maybe a way to soften the blow is to also offer some sort of student loan forgiveness program for doctors. Some government agencies already offer such programs to their own employees.
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Sure. The idea is to expand supply.
 
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