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mqt said:
That’s surely the intended effect. The reality is that you get the people with less flexibility in their working hours or ability to commute to quit, irrespective of how productive they are individually.
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Reality is the majority are lazy and completely wasteful. Nothing is 100% but it will be a huge net positive.
 
The funny thing is we don’t actually disagree on government bloat and the need to reduce the federal workforce. But I do not see how it makes sense to apply this broadly. You’re not making anything more efficient, you’re just coddling managers and directors who should be able to drive results in many roles through effective leadership and operational management.
 
mqt said:
The funny thing is we don’t actually disagree on government bloat and the need to reduce the federal workforce. But I do not see how it makes sense to apply this broadly. You’re not making anything more efficient, you’re just coddling managers and directors who should be able to drive results in many roles through effective leadership and operational management.
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When companies get too big or masterfully, they have easy solutions. Layoffs. Some great talent gets impacted bc they are often discriminate

The federal governemt doesn't have such a mechanism
 
sturg33 said:
If you are a self-motivated high performer, you don't work for the federal government

Sorry
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That’s very witty but untrue. There aren’t as many reasons to work for the government if you’re a high performer, but the ability to work from home might have been one of them.
 
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The ideas already coming out of the Trump admin are amazing. Complete rethink of the operating model of the world.

And people blackpilled.....

This is very similar to how we provide defense for the world and don't get paid for it. Has to stop.
 
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mqt said:
That’s very witty but untrue. There aren’t as many reasons to work for the government if you’re a high performer, but the ability to work from home might have been one of them.
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High performers can find WFH or hybrid enviornments easy in better paying more end opportunity private roles.

I'm sorry but the majority of people that work for the government and work from home are not high performers. I know you want to believe it but when they are cut you won't notice it at all.
 
thethe said:
High performers can find WFH or hybrid enviornments easy in better paying more end opportunity private roles.

I'm sorry but the majority of people that work for the government and work from home are not high performers. I know you want to believe it but when they are cut you won't notice it at all.
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Again, while we’ll probably have some squabbles over some of *what* needs to be cut or how to reallocate the funding after the cuts are done, I’m actually in favor of reducing administrative waste in the federal government. I’d start with the sickening military waste, but I don’t have a problem with reductions. What I do have a problem with is ineffective strategy and making those cuts by returning to an outdated work model that worsens the lives of the people doing the work without considering whether or not they can do the job effectively. As a rule I hate blanket policies like this in business. We are quick to point the finger at employees for being lazy, but it’s laziness in leadership that causes this kind of policy. We are in an age where leadership needs to adjust to the new technology and manage around it, not waste overhead money on the comforts of the past.
 
mqt said:
Again, while we’ll probably have some squabbles over some of *what* needs to be cut or how to reallocate the funding after the cuts are done, I’m actually in favor of reducing administrative waste in the federal government. I’d start with the sickening military waste, but I don’t have a problem with reductions. What I do have a problem with is ineffective strategy and making those cuts by returning to an outdated work model that worsens the lives of the people doing the work without considering whether or not they can do the job effectively. As a rule I hate blanket policies like this in business. We are quick to point the finger at employees for being lazy, but it’s laziness in leadership that causes this kind of policy. We are in an age where leadership needs to adjust to the new technology and manage around it, not waste overhead money on the comforts of the past.
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Without blanket policies then its discrimintory. Thats why it has to be blanket so its 'fair'.

Again, these people will be fired and nobody will notice a thing.
 
thethe said:
Further, the 'good' ones will find private work quickly.
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And the government we’re trying to make more effective will be worse off for it. But at least those good employees will get to experience having their lives upended and to frantically look for new jobs while we reduce the talent level.
 
thethe said:
Further, the 'good' ones will find private work quickly.
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And the government we’re trying to make more effective will be worse off for it. But at least those good employees will get to experience having their lives upended and to frantically look for new jobs while we reduce the talent level.
 
mqt said:
And the government we’re trying to make more effective will be worse off for it. But at least those good employees will get to experience having their lives upended and to frantically look for new jobs while we reduce the talent level.
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Net/net it will be a massive win for removing waste and the potential remaining 'needs' (after full evaluation of actual needs) will be replaced by high quality people because you don't have dregs of society sucking out salary from the good people.
 
Nothing more frustrating than knowing that you are outperforming/producing someone in the office by 10x and you're only making 3X more than them.

This actually disincentives autonomy and self-innovation.
 
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I will continue to maintain the position that after we identify all the waste/fraud that we can have a government that actually makes the lives of citizens better.
 
mqt said:
And the government we’re trying to make more effective will be worse off for it. But at least those good employees will get to experience having their lives upended and to frantically look for new jobs while we reduce the talent level.
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I know it counters your worldview, but I promise you federal employees are terrible. Its where mediocre at best talent goes to lock in easy money and insane benefits with no expectations of performance. Even if someone goes in talented, the lack of performance culture eventually turns those people into leeches too

I work very closely with a huge government contractor and they laugh at useless the federal employees are, and this is on the defense side! It's why the fed spends so much on contractors bc they have no talent

An indiscriminate 50% layoff wouldn't be noticed
 
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