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Carp said:
The inflation rate under Trump was right in line with Obama and his average inflation rate was lower than Obama's. Inflation was tracking down 2 straight years prior to the pandemic.
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Inflation lags behind policy. Trump added almost as much debt as Obama in half the time. People often dont understand that debt only matters relative to GDP. Trumps last 2 budgets had the highest debt to GDP ratio since WW2. Biden didnt do a lot to help but anyone who thinks Biden is responsible for inflation exploding 3 months after taking office needs to put down the propoganda.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Inflation lags behind policy. Trump added almost as much debt as Obama in half the time. People often dont understand that debt only matters relative to GDP. Trumps last 2 budgets had the highest debt to GDP ratio since WW2. Biden didnt do a lot to help but anyone who thinks Biden is responsible for inflation exploding 3 months after taking office needs to put down the propoganda.
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It’s not all his fault, but Biden pissed gasoline on the fire
 
Bidens defecit relative to GDP was 5.2 and 6.2 percent in the budgets he was a part of. Not good but not far off from Trumps average of 4.2 percent before covid.
 
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Surely nobody whatsoever in Congress has raised concerns about this spending. Recognizing we spend money abroad for social causes isn’t improving government efficiency. Either the Republican House and Senate will change their spending habits or they won’t. I sure hope we don’t waste any actual money on these kinds of “fixes” in January. DOGE appears to me so far to not be much more than a comms department for conservative talking points regarding government spending.
 
cajunrevenge said:
When do we get to money spent by the SS to rent rooms at Maralago. That seems like unnecessary waste.
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There’s really no good reason for Dems not to spend the next 4 years talking about this and the defense budget. I think decreased government spending as a means of improving inflation is if nothing else politically effective, and Dems can absolutely get on the train without going after social services of any sort.
 
If there is one thing thats for certain its that Democrats will **** up. They will spend the next 4 years LARPing as if they are living in Nazi Germany and dying on hills for issues that arent popular.
 
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They say Trump doesn’t respect norms, but scapegoating first and second generation African and Asian immigrants is a tried and true American SOP.
 
mqt said:
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Surely nobody whatsoever in Congress has raised concerns about this spending. Recognizing we spend money abroad for social causes isn’t improving government efficiency. Either the Republican House and Senate will change their spending habits or they won’t. I sure hope we don’t waste any actual money on these kinds of “fixes” in January. DOGE appears to me so far to not be much more than a comms department for conservative talking points regarding government spending.
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"Yeah, lets light this money on fire"
 
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One thing I’ve found a bit gross about the discourse around DOGE is the gleeful enthusiasm for a lot of folks potentially becoming unemployed. There’s absolutely no reason to expect that new, similar jobs will just be readily available for the people displaced, and the “Administrative State” is actually just a euphemism for these people. Anybody powerful enough to be a puppet master for this system isn’t quaking because they’re the ones that would be completely fine. It’s the dude down the street on a middle class salary that’s quaking in his boots, not the elite.

Edited to add: this isn’t intended as a criticism of the effort. It’s reasonable to be excited to want to see your tax dollars be spent more efficiently and I agree with the idea that the federal government is bloated and ineffective. But there’s a human cost to this venture, and it’d be great if people recognized that a bit more.
 
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mqt said:
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One thing I’ve found a bit gross about the discourse around DOGE is the gleeful enthusiasm for a lot of folks potentially becoming unemployed. There’s absolutely no reason to expect that new, similar jobs will just be readily available for the people displaced, and the “Administrative State” is actually just a euphemism for these people. Anybody powerful enough to be a puppet master for this system isn’t quaking because they’re the ones that would be completely fine. It’s the dude down the street on a middle class salary that’s quaking in his boots, not the elite.

Edited to add: this isn’t intended as a criticism of the effort. It’s reasonable to be excited to want to see your tax dollars be spent more efficiently and I agree with the idea that the federal government is bloated and ineffective. But there’s a human cost to this venture, and it’d be great if people recognized that a bit more.
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They shpuld.be grateful they got to leech of the tax payers as long as they did.

The federal employees count has exploded over the last decade
 
sturg33 said:
They shpuld.be grateful they got to leech of the tax payers as long as they did.

The federal employees count has exploded over the last decade
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Absolutely none of that is the fault of the workers. They didn’t leech off the tax payers, they applied for jobs and did them to a level their employer has apparently found satisfactory. These are real humans that have families and mortgages. While I’m aware you *also* show sufficient disdain for the folks that funded their jobs in the first place, it’s ****ing insane and heartless to treat them all like lepers simply because they took the jobs that were created.

As a thought experiment, let’s say Joe Biden closed all the coal mines due to a clean energy bill. Would your message be that the miners had it coming?
 
mqt said:
Absolutely none of that is the fault of the workers. They didn’t leech off the tax payers, they applied for jobs and did them to a level their employer has apparently found satisfactory. These are real humans that have families and mortgages. While I’m aware you *also* show sufficient disdain for the folks that funded their jobs in the first place, it’s ****ing insane and heartless to treat them all like lepers simply because they took the jobs that were created.

As a thought experiment, let’s say Joe Biden closed all the coal mines due to a clean energy bill. Would your message be that the miners had it coming?
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As a thought experiment, I would be outraged that the federal government is making decisions it has no business making that results in people losing their livelihood - not bc market conditions but bc of politics.

As for the rest of your post, the federal government should feel obligated to not spend tax resources on jobs that aren't required or actively make the country better off.

I really don't have sympathy for any federal employees, sorry. They've had a free ride forever, ridiculous benefits, cannot be fired, and clearly suck bc everything the government touches gets worse.

We should celebrate when we remove these leeches
 
sturg33 said:
As a thought experiment, I would be outraged that the federal government is making decisions it has no business making that results in people losing their livelihood - not bc market conditions but bc of politics.

As for the rest of your post, the federal government should feel obligated to not spend tax resources on jobs that aren't required or actively make the country better off.

I really don't have sympathy for any federal employees, sorry. They've had a free ride forever, ridiculous benefits, cannot be fired, and clearly suck bc everything the government touches gets worse.

We should celebrate when we remove these leeches
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I’m genuinely impressed by how uniquely devoid of empathy you seem to be.
 
mqt said:
I’m genuinely impressed by how uniquely devoid of empathy you seem to be.
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Thank you.

As a thought experiment, if I showed you that there were two government employees. One was paid to dig a hole in the ground, and the other was paid to fill the hole back up.

How much empathy do I need to have to call for the immediate elimination of those two positions?
 
Federal employees

November 2024: 3,001,000 (0.89% of population)

November 2014: 2,740,000 (0.86%)

November 2004: 2,727,000 (0.93%)

November 1994: 2,983,000 (1.09%)

November 1984: 2,962,000 (1.25%)
 
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Federal employees

November 2024: 3,001,000 (0.89% of population)

November 2014: 2,740,000 (0.86%)

November 2004: 2,727,000 (0.93%)

November 1994: 2,983,000 (1.09%)

November 1984: 2,962,000 (1.25%)
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I'd be interested to see those numbers with armed forces enrollment figures to see how much the actual administrative state is bloating.

The reason I'm interested is becuase as usual BL posts completely misleading statistics.
 
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For example from 1984 to 2024 US military size (federal Employees) decreased by ~39% which amounted to a reduction of ~838K employees.

Since we had ~825K non military federal employees in 1984 we had an over 100% increase in non-military federal employees with only around 46% growth in population.

Yet another BL fail where he shows he can't look beneath first level of data.

Non Military Federal Employees as % of population:

1984 - .35%
2024 - .50%

SO as usual - BL doesn't get reality. Massive increase

The above shows the MASSIVE increase of the deep state and a collection of people that run the country without the people having a voice. Thats about to change.
 
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