DUI Checkpoint Video

sturg33 said:
Once again. You have not answered my question. But I will answer yours.

I wanted to see if they had any other issues because otherwise I wanted them off my property. Which is what I told them and it is why they left. They were starting to concern my guests and it was becoming an issue. So I asked if they had a warrant to come in my house and if not, to leave. Their boss told them to leave. My party resumed without flashing coplights through every window.

So, you want to answer my question now?
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WHich question?

LOL off cops sitting outside alarming guest. Nice job, P-Diddy.
 
gilesfan said:
LOL off cops sitting outside alarming guest. Nice job, P-Diddy.
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Not so much of a concern - but more of a distraction. Everyone was looking out the window talking about what a bunch of dicks they were and how wasteful their time was. They of course, were right.
 
sturg33 said:
Should I have let the cops in my house to question my guests?
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Well, you could have. Or asked if the guests could come outside to talk to the police.

Do you think if they "suspected underage people" would have offered to come outside and show id, that the cops would have still harassed you?
 
gilesfan said:
Well, you could have. Or asked if the guests could come outside to talk to the police.

Do you think if they "suspected underage people" would have offered to come outside and show id, that the cops would have still harassed you?
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Would you like to answer the question? Should I have let them in or not?

And yes, I could have succumb to their power trip and proven my innocence but I don't feel the need to prove my innocence. It was an inconvenience to me, but hopefully, the cop will think twice about it to someone else. Constantly giving in to their overreaching authority only encourages more of it.
 
sturg33 said:
Would you like to answer the question? Should I have let them in or not?

And yes, I could have succumb to their power trip and proven my innocence but I don't feel the need to prove my innocence. It was an inconvenience to me, but hopefully, the cop will think twice about it to someone else. Constantly giving in to their overreaching authority only encourages more of it.
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"You could have" isn't answering your question?

Were you inconvenienced more by your actions than you would have been if your guests simply provided ID? I would probably say so. So if your concern was convenience, you probably chose the wrong path. Correct?
 
gilesfan said:
"You could have" isn't answering your question?

Were you inconvenienced more by your actions than you would have been if your guests simply provided ID? I would probably say so. So if your concern was convenience, you probably chose the wrong path. Correct?
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You could have is not an answer. Of course I know I could have. Should I have? It is yes or no? What do you do?

And no, I believe that a cop coming into my house and questioning the 40 people I had there would have been a major inconvenience. I spent about 10 total minutes talking to them - and that would have been much more.

But it isn't just about convenience as I explained. I simply was not going to allow him to bully me into coming into my house with no justifiable reason. Nobody in the house was under the age of 24. It was simply a case of the cop being bored and wanted to do something. That is why he spent the next 30 minutes sitting outside my house with his buddies.
 
Without being there and talking to the cop, how the **** would I know?

How do you know he was bored? How do you know he didn't believe there were underage drinkers? I'm sure if the cop was bored and intent on screwing you, he could have waited for your guests to leave and pulled them over for suspected DUIs....no?
 
Sturg, you already know the answer to his question. Giles lets the cop come in and question all his guests, look through all his stuff and go through his phone and computer. He has nothing to hide.

Or maybe he's just arguing to be arguing?
 
I asked the question on page 5.

"If a cop comes to my house and wants to search it for drugs, and I say "no - not until you go get a warrant" - is that me being a dick? Should that be enough reason for him to have enbough suspicion to be allowed in?"

I have yet to get an answer. All I have gotten is several distracting questions back, something about peanuts, and mocking. It's a simple yes or no question. I have explained all of the details to GF and he still says he doesn't know what the answer is.

That is because the correct answer is you of course should not let the cop in just because he demands to come in. But the pro cop folks refuse to admit that. It would also undermine their car theory, even if just a tad. So they won't answer the question.
 
ESP47 said:
Sturg, you already know the answer to his question. Giles lets the cop come in and question all his guests, look through all his stuff and go through his phone and computer. He has nothing to hide.

Or maybe he's just arguing to be arguing?
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Agreed.. and I would never want to be a guest at GF's party
 
sturg33 said:
Agreed.. and I would never want to be a guest at GF's party
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Tin foil hats are not allowed.

Your analogy is not apples to apples, maybe that is why the lack of answers. The cop didn't search the car until the driver was suspicious and condescending.

If your question is if a cop came up to the door and asked to search without any kind of evidence, then I could see someone not letting them in. Just like cops don't pull over cars at DUI checkpoints and ask to search without reasons to search. Do you see cops just stop cars and search for no reason?
 
sturg33 said:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I only became a jerk when he insisted to let him in my house.

To recap:

1. Cop knocks on my door, asks t turn the music down
2. I comply, apologize, and wish him a merry day
3. He then looks in my house and asks me if I'm serving underage folks
4. I say, "No sir, we are not"
5. He says "You mind if I come in for a minute to make sure?"
6. I say "Yes, I do mind, you are not welcome in my house."
7. He says "Excuse me? What do you mean by that?"
8. I said, "I don't consent to you entering my house without a warrant. Have a nice day"
9. He then tries to intimidate me and calls his cop friends
10. I go back in my house and enjoy my party - 10 min later, 3 cop cars all outside of my house
11. I go outside to ask what the problem is. Cop tells me that they believe I'm serving underage folks and want to come in to verify.
12. I say no.
13. They inform me how much trouble I'm going to be in
14. I then start being a dick and mocking them and asking them why they are spending so much time at my house while real crime is happening
15. They get upset. Get told by their boss to leave.

So, I'll ask once again, would you have let the cop in your house to start questioning your guests?
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If he looks into your house and sees what he believes are underage drinkers and thus acting illegally, he has probable cause and doesn't need a warrant, so I don't think this particular example works. If he tore up your couch looking for drugs, that would be another matter.
 
That just means that he didn't actually see anyone that looked underage so he was just lying to try and get in there to look around. In the end he didn't feel like the hassle of lying was worth it the same way a lot of people don't feel like the hassle of using their rights are worth it.
 
gilesfan said:
I've never had a cop rummage through my stuff. Im guessing people that don't act guilty aren't treated suspiciously.

I guess you are under the assumption that cops are shady and would plant evidence? (I'm sure there is a very small percentage that would be willing to do it, if any).

If a cop planted evidence against, me I will worry about that in court when I accuse them of planting the evidence. What are the odds of that actually happening?

I don't have parties at my house with people that I believe would bring drugs to my house. I don't hang out with that crowd, why would I?

You are making not only off the wall assumptions, but also bringing up 1 in a billion scenarios.
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LOL... just strolling through today's news and came across this:

Police Caught Planting Drugs In Small Business

 
GF told me he has a better chance of being struck by lightening... I would imagine evidence get planted more often than people get struck by lightening.
 
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