Early Discussion: Braves MVP

I just hope we don't lose these two. IF it means having to get rid of guys like Justin/Medlen/Kimbrel then so be it. Those are the only two (I would argue three with Simmons) that have to be extended.
 
thethe said:
I just hope we don't lose these two. IF it means having to get rid of guys like Justin/Medlen/Kimbrel then so be it. Those are the only two (I would argue three with Simmons) that have to be extended.
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Eh I'd be willing to wait on Simmons. To me Jason, Justin and Freddie are the 3 most important extensions on the team. Then after them comes Simmons, Minor, etc.

Simmonsis amazing now, but the important thing to remember is that defense peaks early. We saw it with Drew. Simmons will still be great of course as he ages, but this may well be his finest season and if he hits like this and loses some runs fielding a lot of his value erodes.
 
zitothebrave said:
Eh I'd be willing to wait on Simmons. To me Jason, Justin and Freddie are the 3 most important extensions on the team. Then after them comes Simmons, Minor, etc.

Simmonsis amazing now, but the important thing to remember is that defense peaks early. We saw it with Drew. Simmons will still be great of course as he ages, but this may well be his finest season and if he hits like this and loses some runs fielding a lot of his value erodes.
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Simmons should be a stud defender for at least another 5-6 years and while he will slow down he will slow down from one of the greatest if not greatest of all time. Druw got fat and had bad knees. That is why he fell off a cliff. Simmons is far more valueable to this team long term then Justin.
 
thethe said:
Simmons should be a stud defender for at least another 5-6 years and while he will slow down he will slow down from one of the greatest if not greatest of all time. Druw got fat and had bad knees. That is why he fell off a cliff. Simmons is far more valueable to this team long term then Justin.
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Have to disagree. If Simmons hits then he's worth it more than Justin, if he doesn't then he's not. Justin is a potential MVP and a counterpoint to our 2 lefties. Simmons as long as he doesn't hit much has found his ceiling, Justin has shown a much higher ceiling. Iwant to keep both around. But if i could only extend 3 I'd keep Justin over Simmons.

And Drew was falling way before getting fat.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm sure that's from a highly reliable source. If we make them a fair offer they'll sign. We probably offered them a low ball deal and they rejected.
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zitothebrave said:
Have to disagree. If Simmons hits then he's worth it more than Justin, if he doesn't then he's not. Justin is a potential MVP and a counterpoint to our 2 lefties. Simmons as long as he doesn't hit much has found his ceiling, Justin has shown a much higher ceiling. Iwant to keep both around. But if i could only extend 3 I'd keep Justin over Simmons.

And Drew was falling way before getting fat.
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Personally I think Simmons will be a 750-800 OPS bat consistently. Guy is a hitter but he is still learning.
 
Freeman is the MVP, no question. Solid as a rock all year and this Sept. when we needed him the most he's giving us the best month of his career.
 
Looking more and more like Freeman finishes no lower than 5th in NL MVP voting. Most likely finishes 2nd in voting. What a great yr he's had.
 
Carp said:
Looking more and more like Freeman finishes no lower than 5th in NL MVP voting. Most likely finishes 2nd in voting. What a great yr he's had.
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He finished the season with over .500 SLG (.501) and almost over .900 OPS (.897). Almost at .400 OBP (.396) and raised his career average to .285.

All of his numbers just keep getting better and better.
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thethe said:
I just hope we don't lose these two. IF it means having to get rid of guys like Justin/Medlen/Kimbrel then so be it. Those are the only two (I would argue three with Simmons) that have to be extended.
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Those are the big 3. Everyone else is behind them.
 
I wonder where this team would have wound up if Prado had been more inclined to negotiate. Doubt there was any other way to get Upton and Johnson. But then too, if the FO had any idea that Gattis would bring what he did, would Wren even have been interested in those two.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
I wonder where this team would have wound up if Prado had been more inclined to negotiate. Doubt there was any other way to get Upton and Johnson. But then too, if the FO had any idea that Gattis would bring what he did, would Wren even have been interested in those two.
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I don't think the trade for Upton turned on Prado's contract demands. As I recall, it was the trade with Seattle falling through that made the Diamondbacks look more carefully at what the Braves had to offer. The Braves were willing to give Prado up all along.
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think the trade for Upton turned on Prado's contract demands. As I recall, it was the trade with Seattle falling through that made the Diamondbacks look more carefully at what the Braves had to offer. The Braves were willing to give Prado up all along.
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That is not what I recall but then Im getting long in the tooth and memory is just another thing that doesnt work. Prado was penciled in as the primary 3rd baseman but wanted 4/48. Of course, I wasnt there but IMO the trade would not even have happened if Johnson hadnt been "thrown in" if reports are accurate.

Where would we have wound up with Prado at 3rd and Gattis in LF? Probably not quite as high without Uprons April/May.
 
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