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No my contention has always been that the demand side has spiked way more than the market can handle and under the previous regimes policy we could have 10X our home production and it wouldn't have been enough.

When 5-10M people are deported the equation will fine an equilibrium that will result in a price point for entry much more suitable for the next generation.
How is subsidizing housing through tax breaks via 401k withdrawals going to address this issue of having more demand than supply? It’s also going to further strain the system down the road when people who would have had retirement money cash it in to buy a house. This is like the perfect awful marriage of leftist economics and right-wing populism.
 
How is subsidizing housing through tax breaks via 401k withdrawals going to address this issue of having more demand than supply? It’s also going to further strain the system down the road when people who would have had retirement money cash it in to buy a house. This is like the perfect awful marriage of leftist economics and right-wing populism.
Because housing costs are coming down across the country and as deportations continue to happen those prices will continue to fall. You absolutely do not want free falling prices so you supplement the market with incentives by giving buyers access to cash reserves without penalty.

The results? More native Americans at younger ages owning homes. Perfection.....
 
Because housing costs are coming down across the country and as deportations continue to happen those prices will continue to fall. You absolutely do not want free falling prices so you supplement the market with incentives by giving buyers access to cash reserves without penalty.

The results? More native Americans at younger ages owning homes. Perfection.....
So we prop up an overly inflated housing market by opening up lines of credit to people who cannot otherwise afford a home? What could possibly go wrong?!
 
So we prop up an overly inflated housing market by opening up lines of credit to people who cannot otherwise afford a home? What could possibly go wrong?!
WHat could possibly go wrong? People are in homes they own that otherwise wouldn't be.

The value of a cohesive high trust high functioning society can never be quantified by its a massive multiplier on all things.
 
WHat could possibly go wrong? People are in homes they own that otherwise wouldn't be.

The value of a cohesive high trust high functioning society can never be quantified by its a massive multiplier on all things.
At least Adam McKay will have some job security when he gets to make a sequel to The Big Short.
 
in this discussion of housing, it is worth noting the old truism that there is no such thing as a free lunch

there are always opportunity costs

whatever resources we redirect to housing (whether through subsidizing demand or supply) comes out of somewhere

housing is already one of the most advantaged sectors in the economy

the housing lobby is the gold standard in Washington....it works both sides of the aisle very effectively

and will undoubtedly continue to do so

as a country we are overhoused...not underhoused...this is an opinion of course, not an empirical fact

but if i were king and got to decide where to redirect resources to benefit society, it wouldn't be to housing
 
we subsidize housing enormously

take the 30-year fixed mortgage

it is an American anomaly...a rarity in other countries

and it exists here at scale because the federal government implicitly (and to an increasing extent explicitly) guarantees those mortgages

without that guarantee the product would become prohibitively expensive and/or disappear

that implicit (and increasingly explicit) guarantee doesn't come free

in 2008 the implicit became explicit...the U.S. Treasury placed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into conservatorship...it injected large amounts of capital into them...and guaranteed their Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS)

this resolved any remaining ambiguity about what would happen when the shit hit the fan...Uncle Sam (the U.S. taxpayer) would come to the rescue...and it will do so again

because of this guarantee: 1) MBS trade at near-Treasury rates (as they should because they are for all practical purposes guaranteed) 2) foreign central banks, insurers and pension funds feel secure in buying them in massive quantities and 3) as a result mortgage rates are at least 1% lower than they would be otherwise

without this guarantee lenders would demand 1) higher rates, 2) shorter maturities, 3) higher pre-payment penalties
 
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the subsidy flows mostly to middle class homeowners and higher-income borrowers with good credit

it is invisible: it takes the form of lower interest rates and doesn't show up as a budget outlay (except for those episodes when the taxpayer must make good on the guarantee)

it is politically untouchable because: it stabilizes interest payments, reduces foreclosure cascades and contagion risks in the financial system, supports the middle of the wealth distribution
 
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