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My hope is billionaire pressure will keep Trump from listening to the trade hawks in his inner circle and back off the tariff rhetoric.

Personally, I have been pulling back my investments and holding more cash. Let’s wait and see.

Tariffs cannot be positive, okay? I mean, it’s a tax,” Steve Cohen said Friday at the FII Priority Summit in Miami Beach, Florida. “On top of that, we have slowing immigration, which means the labor force will not grow as rapidly as … the last five years and so.”

The prominent hedge fund investor took a stab at DOGE’s cost-cutting moves led by Elon Musk, saying they could only hurt the economy more. Musk has said his goal is to cut federal spending by $2 trillion.

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“When that money has been coursing through the economy over many years, and now, potentially it will be reduced or stopped in many ways, has got to be negative for the economy,” Cohen said.

Cohen believes a pullback in the stock market could be likely given the uncertain macroeconomic environment. He sees the U.S. economy’s growth slowing down to 1.5% from 2.5% in the second half of the year.

“I think we’re seeing the regime shift a little bit. It may only last a year or so, but it’s definitely a period where I think the best gains have been had and wouldn’t surprise me to see a significant correction,” Cohen said. “I don’t think it’s going to be a disaster.”
 
My hope is billionaire pressure will keep Trump from listening to the trade hawks in his inner circle and back off the tariff rhetoric.

Personally, I have been pulling back my investments and holding more cash. Let’s wait and see.

I hope Trump can be his own man, and not worry about Musks wants/needs when it comes the tariffs and China.
 
My hope is billionaire pressure will keep Trump from listening to the trade hawks in his inner circle and back off the tariff rhetoric.

Personally, I have been pulling back my investments and holding more cash. Let’s wait and see.

I’m not sure this is a good look for Cohen.

Labor force growing ? I mean people came back to work after Covid and employers still can’t find people who satisfy the three basic requirements of a decent job
 
I’m not sure this is a good look for Cohen.

Labor force growing ? I mean people came back to work after Covid and employers still can’t find people who satisfy the three basic requirements of a decent job

I’m confused. That seems to reinforce what Cohen is saying. If there is already a shortage of qualified labor, how will more investment and fewer people fill the additional labor demands that would create that growth? If anything, this is probably an even better time to be in the automation business than it was before.
 
I’m not sure this is a good look for Cohen.

Labor force growing ? I mean people came back to work after Covid and employers still can’t find people who satisfy the three basic requirements of a decent job

Consider the context, he's speaking to investors about the short term (this year) outlook of the economy . Smaller labor pool, less cash in circulation, tariffs impacting consumer spending, etc. I'm not sure any reasonable person would argue these wouldn't adversely affect short term investor confidence.

Whether that short term pain is worth it in the long run is a separate discussion.

FWIW, I'm supportive of Trump's immigration policy and DOGE. For the first time in my life, I have hope that congress may have the balls to actually cut spending. If that means in the short term the economy retracts a bit, so be it. As for tariffs, I'm not sold on the long term "vision" is worth the damage it will do to our relationships with key allies and the higher prices you and I will be paying. My hope is that all these evil, wicked billionaires will keep Trump at bay (I think so).
 
US charging other countries the exact same tariffs they charge US is fine

other countries can lower their tariffs on the US ... lowering US tariffs in return
 
US charging other countries the exact same tariffs they charge US is fine

other countries can lower their tariffs on the US ... lowering US tariffs in return

The problem isn’t that we’d be doing something unfair, it’s that the American citizens will feel the impact of the situation through increased prices on the affected goods.
 
We are seeing the impacts of Biden regime lying about the economy to try and win an election. Can only push the can down the road so much.
 
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https://www.barrons.com/articles/weak-dollar-trump-vance-reserve-currency-6851b258?st=e6mckE

Both Trump and Vice President JD Vance have, for some years, been outspoken in support of a weaker dollar. They believe that depreciation will cut the U.S. trade deficit and help U.S. manufacturers and exporters. But they have also contradicted themselves, and each other, repeatedly on matters that have a strong and enduring impact on the level of the dollar.

First and foremost among these contradictions is their view on the dollar’s role as the dominant central-bank reserve currency and its outsize use in international trade. On Jan. 30, the president thundered a threat at the “seemingly hostile” countries that make up the BRICS group—Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. “They will neither create a new BRICS Currency, nor back any other Currency to replace the mighty U.S. Dollar,” Trump warned. But if they do, they “will face 100% Tariffs.”

The irony is rich and multilayered. First, the BRICS nations are seeking alternatives to the dollar specifically to escape proliferating unilateral U.S. financial sanctions, yet the president is threatening more such—in the form of 100% import tariffs—if they proceed. Second, the dollar’s dominant role in reserves and trade is a major factor keeping its value higher than it would be if other currencies played or shared that role. Third, Vance in 2023 referred to the dollar’s “reserve currency status” as “a massive tax on American producers.” It fueled, the then-senator said, “our mass consumption of mostly useless imports, on the one hand, and our hollowed-out industrial base on the other.”

The two men cannot both be right. And indeed Trump himself, notwithstanding his famed claim to be a “very stable genius,” is ensnared in a logical knot. Either the dollar must remain “mighty” and dominant, or it must shed this albatross and fall to a level more favorable to U.S. exports. To demand that the dollar do both is as illogical as to demand that tariffs raise import revenue while at the same time stopping imports. (But perhaps I digress.)

 
One of my hobbies is building PCs. Many of the main pc components manufacturers have already risen 10% since the China tariffs went into effect.

Is what it is

COGS go up closer till tariff rates. You are the distribution/warrhiuse in this. If you sold these pcs to a third party you wouldn’t increase your sales price by 10%
 
COGS go up closer till tariff rates. You are the distribution/warrhiuse in this. If you sold these pcs to a third party you wouldn’t increase your sales price by 10%

"We will have to adjust the end user price to reflect the tariff," said Acer CEO Jason Chen in an interview with The Telegraph. "We think 10 percent probably will be the default price increase because of the import tax. It’s very straightforward."
 
COGS go up closer till tariff rates. You are the distribution/warrhiuse in this. If you sold these pcs to a third party you wouldn’t increase your sales price by 10%

But he probably would sell it by at least the amount of added cost per unit. It’s not a new revelation to say that some things are made of multiple parts. The more it costs to make those components, the higher the prices will be, even if it’s not 1:1 in percentages. If the tariff raises the price of a component by 10% or say $50, the price of the final good won’t be ten percent higher but it will likely be $50 higher. Percentages won’t much make a difference to the consumer buying something for $2050 instead of $2000 because of the tariff.
 
"We will have to adjust the end user price to reflect the tariff," said Acer CEO Jason Chen in an interview with The Telegraph. "We think 10 percent probably will be the default price increase because of the import tax. It’s very straightforward."

Leveraging tariffs to increase Gross Profit / EBITDA Margin - Seems legitimate business case.
 
But he probably would sell it by at least the amount of added cost per unit. It’s not a new revelation to say that some things are made of multiple parts. The more it costs to make those components, the higher the prices will be, even if it’s not 1:1 in percentages. If the tariff raises the price of a component by 10% or say $50, the price of the final good won’t be ten percent higher but it will likely be $50 higher. Percentages won’t much make a difference to the consumer buying something for $2050 instead of $2000 because of the tariff.

Sure but that isn't a 10% markup on the retail price.

Then you have other items like when the foreign countries currency devalues or has to compete with other countries that produce the same thing and therefore not increase their prices by hte tariffed %
 
One of my hobbies is building PCs. Many of the main pc components manufacturers have already risen 10% since the China tariffs went into effect.

Is what it is

its always something...

factory fire in taiwan, shipping shortage/delays.... something
 
One of my hobbies is building PCs. Many of the main pc components manufacturers have already risen 10% since the China tariffs went into effect.

Is what it is

I mean GPU prices have been ****ed since COVID so I gave up on the PC building as a hobby thing for a long time. I never built new rigs but I used to every year pick a part of my system to upgrade, like one year it's my GPU, the next it's the processor and MoBo (I have a reputation of breaking my processor pins when removing them so I decided to say **** it and just do both) Also means I don't need to ever stock thermal paste. Anyway. Now I just rock with what I got. I had a 2070 super for years. Now I'm on a 4060 TI. I thought about upgrading it to a 4070 super but then who the hell cares anymore, why spend at least 600 bucks to not really improve what I'm playing.

My adult ass is struggling to find time to play anything other than like a few hours a day. I picked up Avowed from game pass. ANd just gave up.

I wind up playing old games half the time anyway, going back to play games like DoSII, Megaman legacy collection, Bioshock, etc.
 
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