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All of these are long term plans - Never once have I said tomorrow things are going to change.

This is about making America as well as our northern/southern neighbors as strong as possible and we have been gutted by the globalists the last 40 years.

So over the next 5-10 years (why its essential to have Vance in place because can't trust 'prinicpled' conservatives to do whats right here) we will see more manufacturing shift to North America and the CCP to be weakend.

Ok how should we measure that outcome? should we expect Mexico's trade deficit with China be reduced? Should we expect their imports from America to increase?
 
Saying you will place tariffs on a nation versus threatening an invasion are two different things. But you can continue to think they are comparable.

lol feels like im talking to zito now.

I'm saying he is using a threat. there are many different ways to threaten a country. like when he threatened North Korea that he would drop a nuke on him.

I stand by my position that tariffs, if implemented, are ****ing stupid and detrimental to Americans
 
Ok how should we measure that outcome? should we expect Mexico's trade deficit with China be reduced? Should we expect their imports from America to increase?

We should expect less imports of Chinese goods into North America plus manufacturing indexes for the US to increase.

But this is 5-10 years. This will take time.
 
We should expect less imports of Chinese goods into North America plus manufacturing indexes for the US to increase.

But this is 5-10 years. This will take time.

Ok good. Let's make 2024 the baseline.

And why does it take 5-10 years? I would think this can be done in a year if Mexico is committing to changing their trade strategy.

But I'll give you 5 years, sure. How much less imports should we expect to see? What is meaningful? 25%? more?
 
Ok good. Let's make 2024 the baseline.

And why does it take 5-10 years? I would think this can be done in a year if Mexico is committing to changing their trade strategy.

But I'll give you 5 years, sure. How much less imports should we expect to see? What is meaningful? 25%? more?

Why does it take 5-10 years to completely change the global supply chain? Is that a serious question?

I think it would have to be 25% to be meaningful - I'd agree with you.
 
We should expect less imports of Chinese goods into North America plus manufacturing indexes for the US to increase.

But this is 5-10 years. This will take time.

Thethe in 5-10 years "this massive inflation is all Democrats fault". What happens when you make the price to make **** go up?
 
My position has and continues to be that "tariffs are bad, and should not be implemented."

theta's position has been "tariffs are great for economic success... and also, they're not actually gonna be implemented it's just leverage to get stuff we want... y'all are idiots!!!"
 
Why does it take 5-10 years to completely change the global supply chain? Is that a serious question?

I think it would have to be 25% to be meaningful - I'd agree with you.

Mexico can pump up tarrifs on Chinese goods today, no? they have committed to reviewing their trade policy, after all

that alone should start to reduce imports
 
My position has and continues to be that "tariffs are bad, and should not be implemented."

theta's position has been "tariffs are great for economic success... and also, they're not actually gonna be implemented it's just leverage to get stuff we want... y'all are idiots!!!"

Tariffs can be used in many ways - We are hurting China to get manufacturing out of there and friendly coercing on our 'allies' to get in line.
 
Tariffs can be used in many ways - We are hurting China to get manufacturing out of there and friendly coercing on our 'allies' to get in line.

the way it's being used today that you are hysterically screaming victory is by making an economic threat.

that is, once again, different than my argument that if implemented, they are very bad
 
So over the next 5-10 years (why its essential to have Vance in place because can't trust 'prinicpled' conservatives to do whats right here) we will see more manufacturing shift to North America and the CCP to be weakend.

If Vance doesn’t win in 2028, will this plan fail?

If the impact of tariffs is higher prices, then presumably whomever runs against Vance will campaign on removing tariffs.

Now if you’re an investor/business owner, how willing are you going to be to disrupt your supply chain and spend significant in investment if there’s a 50% (+ or - 10%) chance that US trade policy will shift significantly in a few years?

I’m skeptical we’ll see much movement unless tariffs poll really well.
 
If Vance doesn’t win in 2028, will this plan fail?

If the impact of tariffs is higher prices, then presumably whomever runs against Vance will campaign on removing tariffs.

Now if you’re an investor/business owner, how willing are you going to be to disrupt your supply chain and spend significant in investment if there’s a 50% (+ or - 10%) chance that US trade policy will shift significantly in a few years?

I’m skeptical we’ll see much movement unless tariffs poll really well.

If a globlists leftist wins the presidency (it won't happen) we will begin the process again of selling oursevles to the CCP (which I think you/Aces/Sturg will be happy about because CHEAP PRICES?).
 
the way it's being used today that you are hysterically screaming victory is by making an economic threat.

that is, once again, different than my argument that if implemented, they are very bad

Implemented tariffs on China, which is what a unified US/Mexico/Canada will be doing it a tremendously positive thing for our security and future well-being.
 
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The factories of tomorrow will be cheaper to run in the US/North America.
 
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