Economics Thread

Everyone post covid wanted manufacturing back stateside

Just saying

It’s asinine to scoff at “low value” manufacturing. It’s more of the same from the globalist crowd that doesn’t really acknowledge America as a country. It’s just a market.
 
Everyone post covid wanted manufacturing back stateside

Just saying

Well, when you don’t artificially inflate the cost of foreign production, that shift can happen gradually. For instance, we can skip the step where things get a lot more expensive because domestic production is currently labor-intensive, then the mass layoffs when automation is economically viable.
 
On a related note, the reckoning of automation eliminating vast, vast swaths of the workforce is suddenly bound to accelerate dramatically. R&D becomes a much stronger investment when you can lop 15% off the cost to build it here without creating as many jobs.
 
Well, when you don’t artificially inflate the cost of foreign production, that shift can happen gradually. For instance, we can skip the step where things get a lot more expensive because domestic production is currently labor-intensive, then the mass layoffs when automation is economically viable.

Why would it need to happen gradually ?
 
Why would it need to happen gradually ?

For the same reason you let the free market determine a wage instead of introducing a high minimum wage: the inflationary effects. Innovation can happen as quickly as a company wants, but government action aimed at forcing their hand used to be a thing I thought y’all hated.
 
For the same reason you let the free market determine a wage instead of introducing a high minimum wage: the inflationary effects. Innovation can happen as quickly as a company wants, but government action aimed at forcing their hand used to be a thing I thought y’all hated.

Why would it happen at all without intervention?
 
It might not? Replacing human, even non-American jobs with robots isn’t a cause I’m willing to pay more for though.

There will be different jobs for humans as a result and America needs to be on the leading edge of having those jobs for our citizens.
 
There will be different jobs for humans as a result and America needs to be on the leading edge of having those jobs for our citizens.

Sounds great until the previously domestic production of other goods is also automated thanks to the increased appetite for development of automation. But at least we’ll have higher prices!
 
Would automation and increased efficiency lead to higher higher prices though?

Seems like an illogical liberal talking point, again
 
Sounds great until the previously domestic production of other goods is also automated thanks to the increased appetite for development of automation. But at least we’ll have higher prices!

The idea of higher prices with automation is absurd on its face.

And the human jobs will be different when automation/AI is in full swing in the next decade. Americans need to be doing those jobs.
 
Would automation and increased efficiency lead to higher higher prices though?

Seems like an illogical liberal talking point, again

Absolutely not - and our energy prices make these future factories much cheaper in comparison to other nations.
 
Would automation and increased efficiency lead to higher higher prices though?

Seems like an illogical liberal talking point, again

Automation will take time. So production will either be more expensive due to American labor in the short-term or goods will continue to be imported and be more expensive. If the consumers have already adjusted to higher prices due to American production, prices probably won’t drop all the way back down to pre-tariff levels anyway, but that’s a much more speculative argument on my part that I’m not making now.
 
The idea of higher prices with automation is absurd on its face.

And the human jobs will be different when automation/AI is in full swing in the next decade. Americans need to be doing those jobs.

And if firms could do that without raising prices and potentially impacting sales, they’d be working on it anyway without a tariff making it harder for me to buy things.
 
Automation will take time. So production will either be more expensive due to American labor in the short-term or goods will continue to be imported and be more expensive. If the consumers have already adjusted to higher prices due to American production, prices probably won’t drop all the way back down to pre-tariff levels anyway, but that’s a much more speculative argument on my part that I’m not making now.

The taxpayer isn’t making that investment. Companies will invest to get to the future state and then benefit from lower production costs while having access to the US market.
 
And if firms could do that without raising prices and potentially impacting sales, they’d be working on it anyway without a tariff making it harder for me to buy things.

Not an unfair argument but it helps when during that process that have a means of recouping some of their investment via establishing brand identity for one thing.
 
The taxpayer isn’t making that investment. Companies will invest to get to the future state and then benefit from lower production costs while having access to the US market.

Yes they probably are. We pay for it when domestic production is still being done by humans that make more money, and also potentially when companies elect to expedite the creation of automated solutions. That cost is typically felt less by consumers because firms need to remain competitive in the market and can’t increase their prices just to gain future advantages. When the government disrupts the free market by raising the cost of production synthetically, that equation can change.
 
Yes they probably are. We pay for it when domestic production is still being done by humans that make more money, and also potentially when companies elect to expedite the creation of automated solutions. That cost is typically felt less by consumers because firms need to remain competitive in the market and can’t increase their prices just to gain future advantages. When the government disrupts the free market by raising the cost of production synthetically, that equation can change.

No that is just paying for the cost of labor not the cost of R&D and if orgs are going to recoup that via pricing then they are subject to competing interests from others thst won’t do the same.

And I’ll continue to repeat this - the boogeyman of increased costs will prove to be something slightly higher than immaterial and will be offset by other factors that bring down the American diction’s daily costs. The end result will be better for the country and is.
 
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