Economics Thread

Carp said:
The article proved it didn't cut down on the rate of crime. Since that's a pretty big reason for a wall, that's pretty relevant.

These "natural boundaries" are BS. There is nothing to prevent people from crossing rivers/mountains/canyons. Not to mention, the government will have to seize private land, even Native American reservations, in order to make this work. For someone that claims to be small government anti-socialism, you sure support are pretty friggin huge government and socialist endeavor. But oh, it's "protection for the people" so it's ok. Like universal healthcare isn't protecting the people...
Click to expand...

The type of crime changed from your article and the type that replaced the car smuggling was at a smaller scale and easier to control. Plus the wall in Israel was never intended to stop car smuggling which is a pretty big fact that of course you will gloss over.

How is this a huge government endeavor? Can you please compare the cost to what medicare for alls bill would look like?

No, people can cross more deadly terrain if you want but the deterrent is much stronger and over time there can be additional structures built to prevent it.

The wall will work and that is why many do not want it because on both the socialists and conservatives they have their reasons for illegals to keep flowing into the country.
 
thethe said:
The type of crime changed from your article and the type that replaced the car smuggling was at a smaller scale and easier to control. Plus the wall in Israel was never intended to stop car smuggling which is a pretty big fact that of course you will gloss over.

How is this a huge government endeavor? Can you please compare the cost to what medicare for alls bill would look like?

No, people can cross more deadly terrain if you want but the deterrent is much stronger and over time there can be additional structures built to prevent it.

The wall will work and that is why many do not want it because on both the socialists and conservatives they have their reasons for illegals to keep flowing into the country.
Click to expand...

I'm saying it's big government, not the endeavor itself is huge.

The wall won't work. It will be a $30+ billion eyesore that will disrupt ecosystems and have zero affect on illegal immigration. Money would be better served on manpower and modern technology to patrol the border.
 
Last edited:
Carp said:
I'm saying it's big government, not the endeavor itself is huge.

The wall won't work. It will be a $30+ billion eyesore that will disrupt ecosystems and have zero affect on illegal immigration. Money would be better served on manpower and modern technology to patrol the border.
Click to expand...

There is physically no way to 'man' the border. That is a terrible talking point which further strengthens the case to build a physical barrier.

Modern Technology? You want to talk about an endless bill? Now thats government spending.
 
Also, over time medicare for all will cost taxpayers less. You do realize even with these trillion dollar numbers being thrown around, we already spend over 3 trillion per year on healthcare, correct?
 
Carp said:
Also, over time medicare for all will cost taxpayers less. You do realize even with these trillion dollar numbers being thrown around, we already spend over 3 trillion per year on healthcare, correct?
Click to expand...

Thats what happens when government gets involved. Even more of a reasons to get them out of the sector.
 
Carp said:
Except that every other developed country with Universal Healthcare spends half the amount we do per capita.
Click to expand...

And the level of care they get is well documented to be much worse. They also have smaller populations without rampant illegal migration which jack up ER bills.

But hey, same thing.
 
Krgrecw said:
When did Carp become such a liberal?
Click to expand...

He is a never trumper.

Its fine - They have abandoned all of their principles because Orange Man Bad. They believed the fake new media and the Obama admin holdovers that outright lied to the American people and caused the most divisive time in our countries history since the civil war.
 
thethe said:
And the level of care they get is well documented to be much worse. They also have smaller populations without rampant illegal migration which jack up ER bills.

But hey, same thing.
Click to expand...

This is false. Life expectancy is actually higher in pretty much all of these countries. Also, these numbers are per capita, so smaller populations have no factor on that.
 
Carp said:
This is false. Life expectancy is actually higher in pretty much all of these countries. Also, these numbers are per capita, so smaller populations have no factor on that.
Click to expand...

Smaller populations have an impact on per capita as well because when you have overcrowding the cost per patient increases.

Life expectancy also does not tell a story on level of care received. Not even sure why you brought up that counterpoint honestly.
 
thethe said:
Smaller populations have an impact on per capita as well because when you have overcrowding the cost per patient increases.

Life expectancy also does not tell a story on level of care received. Not even sure why you brought up that counterpoint honestly.
Click to expand...

So somehow they are receiving significantly worse care, but they are living longer.... yes makes total sense.
 
thethe said:
It does when you realize that life expectancy is dependent on a myriad of factors.
Click to expand...

Sure, but if they were receiving significantly worse healthcare as you state, those numbers would reflect that.

Nevermind the fact that you don't have any actual proof that they receive significantly worse healthcare,
 
carp isn't a liberal

you have become so far right and part of the cult, anyone that doesn't believe everything you drank the kool aid for is a liberal to you


people still thinking our medical system is great and europe etc is bad lol



this whole thread is being used by thethe to hope prove that people are better off now and to overlook all the corruption and crimes for a few pieces of silver.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top