Class mobility is becoming more and more restricted to a subset of the population and mostly STEM people.
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Class mobility is becoming more and more restricted to a subset of the population and mostly STEM people.
chop2chip
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Good. We need more STEM.
If higher education stopped leaching off government subsidies, then we would have more pilots, mechanics, plumbers, etc. and less people in crippling debt waiting to be “forgiven” in exchange for votes.
I'm of the belief that all the people in STEM currently are all the people that can do STEM.
So what of everyone else?
sturg33
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The higher education system, subsidized substantially from the smart people in the government, is a huge cause of our current problems
IMO the biggest 'problem' is that tech has advanced so fast that it left the overwhelming majority of the population behind. There is no comparable in history.
The issue you describe is real but in reality its a small subset of loud people.
nsacpi
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Since you appear to have young children some unsolicited advice. Young people (and not so young ones) benefit from studying both computer science and Russian poetry. One does not exclude the other.
sturg33
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Higher education and central planners in government suggest that math is racist
You mean 'woke' corporations......
nsacpi
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I'm curious thethe, have you studied logic. Formally.
I took a logic class in college. Jointly offered by the math and philosophy departments. One of the best courses I've taken.
'Logic' is very broad and plays into various disciplines.
I've never taken a course dedicated to 'Logic' but number theory is heavily dependent on its principles. Any section of Math that requires proofs (which is effectively all past Multivariable calculus) incorporates Logic.
chop2chip
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Why do you believe that when our public k-12 education system is so amazingly poor at teaching math and science
chop2chip
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I did the same, and had a very similar experience. It was incredible.
chop2chip
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“Woke corporations” can’t hire engineers quick enough.
Because the people teaching the concepts are idiots.
Prior to my finance/accounting life I was going to be a math teacher. The people I 'observed' were embarrassingly ignorant to actual Math.
Plus - I'm of the belief that only a small subset of the population is actually equipped to learn concepts starting at basic algebra/trig.
Yeah - And those 'Woke' engineers suppress stories such as a presidential candidate that used his office to enrich himself to our worst enemies.
Did not see this section - I encourage anyone to take something similar to this. Problem is that you can't expand too much on basic logic without integrating it with more complex disciplines.
I honesty wish I could do my Math education all over again. Just wasn't ready to take it seriously in my college years but at times I watch MIT lectures on various topics. If you aren't aware this exists I highly recommend.
chop2chip
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Basic programming (of which there is ample demand for) is shockingly easy.
I agree resoundingly with you on the quality of math teachers in public education. I took an honors calculus course in high school and really struggled. I felt very insecure and just did not grasp the concepts at all. The teacher was very cold and would get very frustrated with me when I asked questions after school. It took me until my junior year of college to have the courage to take another challenging math course, and thankfully I enjoyed it so much I went to grad school to study industrial engineering.
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sturg33
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yes woke corporations have been overtaken by "highly educated" ivy leaguers who are taking over the HR suite.
dismantling the current education system is probably the biggest long term win we could achieve
sturg33
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chop's point is that only a subset of people are qualified today because our education system is so awful