Election Day 2014

Good point CC. Like I said in an earlier post, having been involved in and around partisan politics all my adult life (except for a couple of stints bartending while in grad school), I don't know how to figure out where the voting public is right now. Even though I'm left-of-center, I acknowledge that the average voter in the country is center-right when compared to most of the rest of the world and that the country has center-left "hiccups" every decade or so to prevent political sclerosis. What is becoming hard for me to fathom is the level of fear (if that is the right word) that seems to be instilled in the voting public in this era. And it's fear of everything from both sides. The la peur de l'année that dictates how the voting turns out.

50, I think the folks to your left and the folks to my right need to understand better where we are. And I totally agree, the political fear-mongering is so, so over-the-top. Just don't know how we scale it back with so many wanting to lap it up (be they on the right or left).
 
Yeah, that's worth noting when we start looking at a retrospective of O's presidency. He took office at a time when many economists were saying it would take 12-15 years to get back to what we have considered "normal" economic growth. The Republican position, far from being hopeless, was actually pretty strong. They could wait out Obama's honeymoon, play defense on judicial nominees, etc, and wait for the backlash. After 2010, when any shot at further Keynesian stimulus went by the wayside, their position strengthened even further. If it hadn't been for some Tea Party hubris in 2012, the Rs could have flipped the senate two years ago.

I don't suppose much of anything is going to happen before 2016, although the two things you mentioned are certainly probable. I'm going to be interested to watch immigration reform. If Boehner and McConnell can control their caucuses, it could happen. I wouldn't count on it, though.

Yep that's the issue that looks like it will be front and center coming out of the gate. Now if POTUS would back-off on the Executive Action rhetoric and if someone would gag Cruz, we might could get something helpful worked out.
 
Ah hell, I may as well throw in my two cents from the state of Virginia....

I honestly have no clue which path these next two years will take us. If I had to lay bets, I'd say more of the same, but with a brighter spotlight shown on the in-fighting within the Rep party while Cruz and McConnell lock horns. But I'm hoping both sides can just get things done and end all the game playing. No confidence in it, but I'm hoping.

I know I'm in the minority, but I've been happy with the progress made over the past 6 years under Obama. But that's coming from a gay white male who hasn't had any threat of losing his comfy job or benefits during the recession. So, I can't fully understand the economic / social frustration that seems to be permeating out there. I'm in favor of universal healthcare because I have family and friends who simply would never have healthcare without this kind of program. Plus, my mother has been suffering from two different cancers the past five years or so, and has had nearly all of her healthcare paid for through my dad's military health insurance. So in essence, the government has covered that entire bill to keep her alive with us. (She's hardcore Republican btw and hates universal healthcare for everyone ironically. My dad grumbles about serving all those years to get his benefits for him and her, when now the government is just giving it to everyone. Nice.)

AA, from my perspective growing up in the South (Georgia) and living most of my life here in Virginia (mix in 10 years in California), I don't think I'll ever grasp your argument that Republicans will do more for blacks. I guess I understand your feelings that blacks are basically shackled by the institutions currently in place, with no incentive to change their "thuggish" culture. That's fair. I see a lot of that mentality in southern white folk too, though maybe less thuggish and more redneck/white trash. I will say, at least in the older white folks around these parts (most all Republicans), including my own parents sadly, they are racist. Some of the horrible things I hear, they don't even think it's racist. They don't necessarily use the N-word, as that would be going too far, "but those people have the weirdest names" or "those people, notice how they all have a lot of kids, 90% of them are pregnant in high school" and on and on like that. It's all about keeping the status quo for white folk. Believe me, they have zero interest in helping black society get a leg up. But maybe you're saying that Republicans would do it inadvertently by getting rid of welfare and the like. Maybe true. But I don't see any positive steps to help anyone transition away from welfare. Just seems like the plan is to cut off welfare and other benefits with a salute of good luck to you and get a job! as they continue to hoard more and more of the money and power.

My attitude the past 6 years has been one of frustration that the Reps obstructed so strongly no matter what, sacrificing recovery efforts in favor of their power-play game, whether that is ultimately the truth or not. That's just how it all came across to me. Honestly, it all seemed borderline treasonous, for lack of a better word. Still, I'm thankful that the economy was steered back in the right direction and away from full-blown Depression regardless of the impediments put in the way. I don't understand the economic logistics of it all, but I do give credit for Obama's being in the White House during this time to take the steps that have been taken. I was never under any illusion that everything would be completely fixed within his first term. I'm just glad this nation took a chance on Obama's economic recovery plan versus the Republican's plan (whatever that would have been). Again though, that's coming from my point of view, that if they can't even get right the most basic of American tenets (that everyone is created equal), then what faith should I have in any of their other ideas? That critical lack of understanding leaves me with a very large level of skepticism toward the Right. (And don't get me started on Separation of Church & State, good grief.)

In any event, we'll see what these next two years bring us. Reps have a good chance here. Though I'm betting the Braves have a better shot at winning the WS, then the Reps have of ending their game-playing and actually being productive while Obama is still in office.
 
My personal opinion is that the Republican party is still eons behind the Democrats when it comes to social policy. We may be, on the whole, a center-right nation in respect to economics (read: capitalism) and bread-and-butter domestic initiatives, but the last decade has witnessed strong popular growth/support for progressive ideals that the Republicans are only tentatively embracing.

In mid-terms the electorate is generally more traditional in nature, so yesterday's results came as no surprise to me. In fact, if Obama had proceeded with his executive orders and left-field appointments I think the margins (and majority) would have edged considerably further in the Republicans favor. That being said, I disregard the notion that yestetday was a watershed moment for modern conservatism. The results were a referendum on the works of the Obama administration and anybody who follows politics with a semblance of objectivity must respect that.

While I think the malaise for Obama will easily carry over the course of the next two years of lame-duckery, I don't believe it will especially hurts the Democrats in 2016 -- especially if Hillary is the nominee. The Clintons still command the huge swath of minority votes that are indifferent to the failures of the current administration in foreign affairs and impactful economic stimulation, and still vehemently support the various social reforms the Democrats have insituted the past decade.

I've said it here in the past and I'll say it again for the record: the only way the Republicans stand a chance in 2016 is if Jeb Bush is the nominee. He's the only candidate that will universally bring in the big money, unite the base, and most importantly, cyphon votes from the Clintons on the basis of a truly progressive conservative platform (education and immigration chiefly).

While I'm making half-baked predictions typed on my cell phone because Comcast sucks: Susana Martinez as Veep.
 
Ah hell, I may as well throw in my two cents from the state of Virginia....

I honestly have no clue which path these next two years will take us. If I had to lay bets, I'd say more of the same, but with a brighter spotlight shown on the in-fighting within the Rep party while Cruz and McConnell lock horns. But I'm hoping both sides can just get things done and end all the game playing. No confidence in it, but I'm hoping.

I know I'm in the minority, but I've been happy with the progress made over the past 6 years under Obama. But that's coming from a gay white male who hasn't had any threat of losing his comfy job or benefits during the recession. So, I can't fully understand the economic / social frustration that seems to be permeating out there. I'm in favor of universal healthcare because I have family and friends who simply would never have healthcare without this kind of program. Plus, my mother has been suffering from two different cancers the past five years or so, and has had nearly all of her healthcare paid for through my dad's military health insurance. So in essence, the government has covered that entire bill to keep her alive with us. (She's hardcore Republican btw and hates universal healthcare for everyone ironically. My dad grumbles about serving all those years to get his benefits for him and her, when now the government is just giving it to everyone. Nice.)

AA, from my perspective growing up in the South (Georgia) and living most of my life here in Virginia (mix in 10 years in California), I don't think I'll ever grasp your argument that Republicans will do more for blacks. I guess I understand your feelings that blacks are basically shackled by the institutions currently in place, with no incentive to change their "thuggish" culture. That's fair. I see a lot of that mentality in southern white folk too, though maybe less thuggish and more redneck/white trash. I will say, at least in the older white folks around these parts (most all Republicans), including my own parents sadly, they are racist. Some of the horrible things I hear, they don't even think it's racist. They don't necessarily use the N-word, as that would be going too far, "but those people have the weirdest names" or "those people, notice how they all have a lot of kids, 90% of them are pregnant in high school" and on and on like that. It's all about keeping the status quo for white folk. Believe me, they have zero interest in helping black society get a leg up. But maybe you're saying that Republicans would do it inadvertently by getting rid of welfare and the like. Maybe true. But I don't see any positive steps to help anyone transition away from welfare. Just seems like the plan is to cut off welfare and other benefits with a salute of good luck to you and get a job! as they continue to hoard more and more of the money and power.

My attitude the past 6 years has been one of frustration that the Reps obstructed so strongly no matter what, sacrificing recovery efforts in favor of their power-play game, whether that is ultimately the truth or not. That's just how it all came across to me. Honestly, it all seemed borderline treasonous, for lack of a better word. Still, I'm thankful that the economy was steered back in the right direction and away from full-blown Depression regardless of the impediments put in the way. I don't understand the economic logistics of it all, but I do give credit for Obama's being in the White House during this time to take the steps that have been taken. I was never under any illusion that everything would be completely fixed within his first term. I'm just glad this nation took a chance on Obama's economic recovery plan versus the Republican's plan (whatever that would have been). Again though, that's coming from my point of view, that if they can't even get right the most basic of American tenets (that everyone is created equal), then what faith should I have in any of their other ideas? That critical lack of understanding leaves me with a very large level of skepticism toward the Right. (And don't get me started on Separation of Church & State, good grief.)

In any event, we'll see what these next two years bring us. Reps have a good chance here. Though I'm betting the Braves have a better shot at winning the WS, then the Reps have of ending their game-playing and actually being productive while Obama is still in office.

AWESOME post in regards to addressing me. You kind of figured out my frustration.

I just kno2 in almost 50 years of life the Democrats have done squat for my race, no incentive and they don't want to, maybe our votes don't count but they cannot take that risk. Maybe giving the other side a chance my get us some help. Like you, I doubt it, but the devil we know isn't doing squat.

Our culture has been the same since the 60's, actually gotten worse. Not a good thing.
 
Voting for a party based on what they do for a particular race seems ignorant to me.

Unless you think your race deserves special treatment
 
duh....thanks Capt. Obvious.

I would guess your last 10 posts have been you explaining your frustration with the current democratic party because "they haven't done anything for your race"

My point is, unless you want your race receiving special treatment, why do you keep bringing this up?
 
I would guess your last 10 posts have been you explaining your frustration with the current democratic party because "they haven't done anything for your race"

My point is, unless you want your race receiving special treatment, why do you keep bringing this up?

The point is why voting for the same party when you get the same results. Expecting something which nothing happens so why keep voting that way? Why not vote for something you believe in. Blacks are Conservatives by nature, bible thumpers if you will but all vote the same way because of Civil Rights, something happened nearly 40 years ago. Wouldn't the voting record change during those 40 years? No they haven't. When you have your parents tell you to vote a certain way because they all believe REPUBLICANS are RACISTS and the blacks who are Republicans are sell outs or people like me who don't act black enough is the issue. If you think education is special treatment, I don't know what to tell you. I do not see Democrats going to schools helping teach our black youth the right way to live but yet Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are the figureheads while Bill Cosby, Roland Martin, aka any Republican or responsible black adult are to be avoided.

So to answer you question. No special treatment just they have a racial apathy toward whites and Republicans. My point being is we need to change that mindset that all whites aren't racist, not all black Republicans are Uncle Toms. We do not need to keep our current culture of thuggery, non-educated, impregnate and abandoned women and kids, or lack of respect. The Dems need this mindset because they preach that the Republicans will take your benefits if they are in power.
 
Blacks vote for democrats because democrats promise to fund social programs that benefit blacks more than whites. Things like unemployment benefits and minimum wage and drug offenses are things democrats scream about the loudest, and blacks rely on things like that more.

Of course, anyone with a brain understands that continuously providing benefits like that keeps people dependent and keeps them poor (and keeps them voting!).
 
Blacks vote for democrats because democrats promise to fund social programs that benefit blacks more than whites. Things like unemployment benefits and minimum wage and drug offenses are things democrats scream about the loudest, and blacks rely on things like that more.

Of course, anyone with a brain understands that continuously providing benefits like that keeps people dependent and keeps them poor (and keeps them voting!).

LOL!!

I wanted to say that, I really did but I didn't want you to think that I was asking for special treatment (even if I did, it would be to set us free). Of course you are correct but trying to get blacks to admit this, good luck. I see it, you see it, 57 is cringing right now. Like I said, we still have shackles on us, but in a different way. It's the only way to control us. Be thugs, we still need your vote so we will look the other way and grease your palms while you at it. People like me who don't have shackles, or "runaway" slave is to be shunned, avoided, not heeded.

I need to stop, I get pissed thinking about the control they have over my people.
 
Since the Rs have had their celebrations, time for my favorite #McConnelling which is about the only good contributions SuperPac involvement has had.





 
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