Embargo Against Cuba
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57Brave
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maybe Hawk is on to 3 something's
a) in Dumbphuckistan thier is no spell check
b) pretty low threshold for "attack"
c) we are in a race with Cuba to see who can best define the earths most oppressive state?
statistics don't seem to be in our favor. Perhaps you'd like to argue health care or who has the most operating 1954 Chevrolets ???
a) in Dumbphuckistan thier is no spell check
b) pretty low threshold for "attack"
c) we are in a race with Cuba to see who can best define the earths most oppressive state?
statistics don't seem to be in our favor. Perhaps you'd like to argue health care or who has the most operating 1954 Chevrolets ???
I guess I'm stuck trying to figure out how attempting to draw parallels between Cuba and the United States is anything other than petulant and misinformed.
Cuba is quite far from this little oasis of socialist/communist ideals. It's home to a regime that has crushed dissent, murdered, and prohibited its citizenry from experiencing any semblance of liberty. Go to Havana, walk the streets, and experience it first hand. Then compare it to your silver spoon lifestyle here.
Like KG correctly stated; you have no remote concept of true governmental oppression.
Cuba is quite far from this little oasis of socialist/communist ideals. It's home to a regime that has crushed dissent, murdered, and prohibited its citizenry from experiencing any semblance of liberty. Go to Havana, walk the streets, and experience it first hand. Then compare it to your silver spoon lifestyle here.
Like KG correctly stated; you have no remote concept of true governmental oppression.
57Brave
Well-known member
".. one is a rogue state with a corrupt political system that exports terrorism worldwide, that kidnaps, tortures, and assassinates without remorse, and imprisons more of its own people than any other nation on earth ..."
"... the other is Cuba"
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1) To even discuss which witch is which is damning in itself.
2) The NYT yesterday advocated arresting a former US Vice President for war crimes. Said VP has no qualms about throwing his former boss under the proverbial bus. Please show where Cuban leaders are in the same boat.
3) It is a statistical fact we imprison more of our citizens than anyone on earth. I have posted a couple of different articles statistically showing as much
4) I keep coming back to this. Our human rights record is being compared with Cuba !!
"... the other is Cuba"
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1) To even discuss which witch is which is damning in itself.
2) The NYT yesterday advocated arresting a former US Vice President for war crimes. Said VP has no qualms about throwing his former boss under the proverbial bus. Please show where Cuban leaders are in the same boat.
3) It is a statistical fact we imprison more of our citizens than anyone on earth. I have posted a couple of different articles statistically showing as much
4) I keep coming back to this. Our human rights record is being compared with Cuba !!
Don't you remember when the Soviets prosecuted Vladimir Lenin? Or the Pol Pot trials?
... for committing crimes? Don't exactly hear much about imprisoned political dissidents in my circles. That is, unless, you subscribe to the theories of the 'secret' prisons beneath old rest stops, etc.
By you. Which is both typical and amusing.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
57Brave
Well-known member
Yes I do AA -- perhaps not in this thread but --- yes I do
We the people need this discussion.
I posted an article spelling out how people like you,your cousins aunts and uncles are relegated to 2nd class citizenship. (Provided you are in fact black
The data is there to see how we have created a class of people that are to be held --- held - their whole lives in the penal system.
A week ago the torture report came out
-- our political system is bought if you haven't noticed by the latest banking regulations (or lack thereof) . Written by Wall Street and voted on along donation lines . Both (D) and (R) ---- now you tell me --
Political prisoners ??? How do you define a political prisoner ? I would use the 2000 purging of the voter rolls in Florida (which became the model in your state of Wisconsin) all but identified political opponents. This is fact.
Create a penal subculture - then deny them their political rights based a biased justice code.
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and yes, we do imprison more people than anyone on earth. That includes, Russia,China,Cuba North Korea. What, they don't break laws in Russia China or Cuba ?
You can look it up
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But hey ...
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx
We the people need this discussion.
I posted an article spelling out how people like you,your cousins aunts and uncles are relegated to 2nd class citizenship. (Provided you are in fact black
The data is there to see how we have created a class of people that are to be held --- held - their whole lives in the penal system.
A week ago the torture report came out
-- our political system is bought if you haven't noticed by the latest banking regulations (or lack thereof) . Written by Wall Street and voted on along donation lines . Both (D) and (R) ---- now you tell me --
Political prisoners ??? How do you define a political prisoner ? I would use the 2000 purging of the voter rolls in Florida (which became the model in your state of Wisconsin) all but identified political opponents. This is fact.
Create a penal subculture - then deny them their political rights based a biased justice code.
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and yes, we do imprison more people than anyone on earth. That includes, Russia,China,Cuba North Korea. What, they don't break laws in Russia China or Cuba ?
You can look it up
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But hey ...
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx
57Brave
Well-known member
Incarceration rates[edit]
This list is sorted by alphabetical order instead of by incarceration rate. Click sorting buttons to sort alphabetically or numerically. Can sort in ascending or descending order. The row number column on the left sorts independently from the columns to the right of it.
Country (or dependent territory,
subnational area, etc.) Prisoners per
100,000
population
Afghanistan 83
Albania 181
Algeria 162
American Samoa (USA) 349
Andorra 56
Angola 105
Anguilla (United Kingdom) 543
Antigua and Barbuda 389
Argentina 149
Armenia 160
Aruba (Netherlands) 233
Australia 143
Austria 98
Azerbaijan 210
Bahamas 379
Bahrain 275
Bangladesh 45
Barbados 529
Belarus 335
Belgium 108
Belize 495
Benin 77
Bermuda (United Kingdom) 411
Bhutan 145
Bolivia 140
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Federation 80
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Republika Srpska 75
Botswana 204
Brazil 274
Brunei Darussalam 125
Bulgaria 138
Burkina Faso 32
Burundi 85
Cambodia 100
Cameroon 115
Canada 118
Cape Verde (Cabo Verde) 286
Cayman Islands (United Kingdom) 330
Central African Republic 19
Chad 39
Chile 250
China 124 or 172. See notes below.
Colombia 244
Comoros 28
Congo (Brazzaville) 33
Cook Islands (New Zealand) 109
Costa Rica 314
Cote d'Ivoire 44
Croatia 108
Cuba 510
Curaçao (Netherlands) 285
Cyprus (Republic of) 108
Czech Republic 163
Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) 35
Denmark 73
Djibouti 63
Dominica 369
Dominican Republic 247
Ecuador 173
Egypt 76
El Salvador 424
England & Wales England and Wales 148
Equatorial Guinea 132
Estonia 228
Ethiopia 111
Faeroe Islands (Denmark) 21
Fiji 172
Finland 58
France 103
French Guiana/Guyane (France) 287
French Polynesia (France) 147
Gabon 210
Gambia 53
Georgia 219
Germany 78
Ghana 55
Gibraltar (United Kingdom) 210
Greece 120
Greenland (Denmark) 301
Grenada 430
Guadeloupe (France) 188
Guam (USA) 422
Guatemala 105
Guernsey (United Kingdom) 148
Guyana 260
Haiti 95
Honduras 160
Hong Kong (China) 126
Hungary 184
Iceland 47
India 30
Indonesia 62
Iran 284
Iraq 139
Ireland, Republic of 89
Isle of Man (United Kingdom) 113
Israel 249
Italy 100
Jamaica 152
Japan 51
Jersey (United Kingdom) 165
Jordan 95
Kazakhstan 290
Kenya 121
Kiribati 138
Kosovo/Kosova 93
Kuwait 86
Kyrgyzstan 182
Laos 71
Latvia 264
Lebanon 108
Lesotho 107
Liberia 43
Libya 82
Liechtenstein 19
Lithuania 322
Luxembourg 131
Macau (China) 190
Macedonia (former Yugoslav Republic of) 147
Madagascar 83
Malawi 76
Malaysia 133
Maldives 320
Mali 32
Malta 134
Marshall Islands 68
Martinique (France) 233
Mauritania 43
Mauritius 202
Mayotte (France) 78
Mexico 211
Micronesia, Federated States of 103
Moldova (Republic of) 187
Monaco 79
Mongolia 274
Montenegro 171
Morocco 221
Mozambique 62
Myanmar (formerly Burma) 113
Namibia 182
Nauru 140
Nepal 51
Netherlands 82
New Caledonia (France) 144
New Zealand 183
Nicaragua 153
Niger 40
Nigeria 33
Northern Ireland 101
Northern Mariana Islands (USA) 267
Norway 72
Oman 36
Pakistan 41
Palau 243
Panama 383
Papua New Guinea 52
Paraguay 136
Peru 221
Philippines 113
Poland 210
Portugal 138
Puerto Rico (USA) 335
Qatar 53
Republic of (South) Korea 98
Republic of Guinea 22
Reunion (France) 126
Romania 163
Russian Federation 470
Rwanda 492
Samoa (formerly Western Samoa) 227
San Marino 0
Sao Tome e Principe 100
Saudi Arabia 162
Scotland 146
Senegal 64
Serbia 142
Seychelles 868
Sierra Leone 54
Singapore 233
Sint Maarten (Netherlands) 396
Slovakia 188
Slovenia 66
Solomon Islands 56
South Africa 294
South Sudan 65
Spain 144
Sri Lanka 105
St. Kitts and Nevis 611
St. Lucia 321
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 422
Sudan 50
Suriname 194
Swaziland 289
Sweden 60
Switzerland 87
Syria 60
Taiwan 273
Tajikistan 121
Tanzania 73
Thailand 435
Timor-Leste (formerly East Timor) 38
Togo 67
Tonga 155
Trinidad and Tobago 362
Tunisia 230
Turkey 198
Turkmenistan 224
Tuvalu 80
Uganda 102
Ukraine 271
United Arab Emirates 238
United States of America 707
Uruguay 289
Uzbekistan 160
Vanuatu 76
Venezuela 174
Vietnam 143
Virgin Islands (United Kingdom) 425
Virgin Islands (USA) 535
Yemen 53
Zambia 119
Zimbabwe 147
See also
This list is sorted by alphabetical order instead of by incarceration rate. Click sorting buttons to sort alphabetically or numerically. Can sort in ascending or descending order. The row number column on the left sorts independently from the columns to the right of it.
Country (or dependent territory,
subnational area, etc.) Prisoners per
100,000
population
Afghanistan 83
Albania 181
Algeria 162
American Samoa (USA) 349
Andorra 56
Angola 105
Anguilla (United Kingdom) 543
Antigua and Barbuda 389
Argentina 149
Armenia 160
Aruba (Netherlands) 233
Australia 143
Austria 98
Azerbaijan 210
Bahamas 379
Bahrain 275
Bangladesh 45
Barbados 529
Belarus 335
Belgium 108
Belize 495
Benin 77
Bermuda (United Kingdom) 411
Bhutan 145
Bolivia 140
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Federation 80
Bosnia and Herzegovina: Republika Srpska 75
Botswana 204
Brazil 274
Brunei Darussalam 125
Bulgaria 138
Burkina Faso 32
Burundi 85
Cambodia 100
Cameroon 115
Canada 118
Cape Verde (Cabo Verde) 286
Cayman Islands (United Kingdom) 330
Central African Republic 19
Chad 39
Chile 250
China 124 or 172. See notes below.
Colombia 244
Comoros 28
Congo (Brazzaville) 33
Cook Islands (New Zealand) 109
Costa Rica 314
Cote d'Ivoire 44
Croatia 108
Cuba 510
Curaçao (Netherlands) 285
Cyprus (Republic of) 108
Czech Republic 163
Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire) 35
Denmark 73
Djibouti 63
Dominica 369
Dominican Republic 247
Ecuador 173
Egypt 76
El Salvador 424
England & Wales England and Wales 148
Equatorial Guinea 132
Estonia 228
Ethiopia 111
Faeroe Islands (Denmark) 21
Fiji 172
Finland 58
France 103
French Guiana/Guyane (France) 287
French Polynesia (France) 147
Gabon 210
Gambia 53
Georgia 219
Germany 78
Ghana 55
Gibraltar (United Kingdom) 210
Greece 120
Greenland (Denmark) 301
Grenada 430
Guadeloupe (France) 188
Guam (USA) 422
Guatemala 105
Guernsey (United Kingdom) 148
Guyana 260
Haiti 95
Honduras 160
Hong Kong (China) 126
Hungary 184
Iceland 47
India 30
Indonesia 62
Iran 284
Iraq 139
Ireland, Republic of 89
Isle of Man (United Kingdom) 113
Israel 249
Italy 100
Jamaica 152
Japan 51
Jersey (United Kingdom) 165
Jordan 95
Kazakhstan 290
Kenya 121
Kiribati 138
Kosovo/Kosova 93
Kuwait 86
Kyrgyzstan 182
Laos 71
Latvia 264
Lebanon 108
Lesotho 107
Liberia 43
Libya 82
Liechtenstein 19
Lithuania 322
Luxembourg 131
Macau (China) 190
Macedonia (former Yugoslav Republic of) 147
Madagascar 83
Malawi 76
Malaysia 133
Maldives 320
Mali 32
Malta 134
Marshall Islands 68
Martinique (France) 233
Mauritania 43
Mauritius 202
Mayotte (France) 78
Mexico 211
Micronesia, Federated States of 103
Moldova (Republic of) 187
Monaco 79
Mongolia 274
Montenegro 171
Morocco 221
Mozambique 62
Myanmar (formerly Burma) 113
Namibia 182
Nauru 140
Nepal 51
Netherlands 82
New Caledonia (France) 144
New Zealand 183
Nicaragua 153
Niger 40
Nigeria 33
Northern Ireland 101
Northern Mariana Islands (USA) 267
Norway 72
Oman 36
Pakistan 41
Palau 243
Panama 383
Papua New Guinea 52
Paraguay 136
Peru 221
Philippines 113
Poland 210
Portugal 138
Puerto Rico (USA) 335
Qatar 53
Republic of (South) Korea 98
Republic of Guinea 22
Reunion (France) 126
Romania 163
Russian Federation 470
Rwanda 492
Samoa (formerly Western Samoa) 227
San Marino 0
Sao Tome e Principe 100
Saudi Arabia 162
Scotland 146
Senegal 64
Serbia 142
Seychelles 868
Sierra Leone 54
Singapore 233
Sint Maarten (Netherlands) 396
Slovakia 188
Slovenia 66
Solomon Islands 56
South Africa 294
South Sudan 65
Spain 144
Sri Lanka 105
St. Kitts and Nevis 611
St. Lucia 321
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 422
Sudan 50
Suriname 194
Swaziland 289
Sweden 60
Switzerland 87
Syria 60
Taiwan 273
Tajikistan 121
Tanzania 73
Thailand 435
Timor-Leste (formerly East Timor) 38
Togo 67
Tonga 155
Trinidad and Tobago 362
Tunisia 230
Turkey 198
Turkmenistan 224
Tuvalu 80
Uganda 102
Ukraine 271
United Arab Emirates 238
United States of America 707
Uruguay 289
Uzbekistan 160
Vanuatu 76
Venezuela 174
Vietnam 143
Virgin Islands (United Kingdom) 425
Virgin Islands (USA) 535
Yemen 53
Zambia 119
Zimbabwe 147
See also
57Brave
Well-known member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_incarceration_in_the_United_States
Through the juvenile courts and the adult criminal justice system, the United States incarcerates more of its youth than any other country in the world, a reflection of the larger trends in incarceration practices in the United States. In 2010, approximately 70,800 juveniles were incarcerated in youth detention facilities alone.[1] Approximately 500,000 youth are brought to detention centers in a given year.[2] This data does not reflect juveniles tried as adults. Around 40% are incarcerated in privatized, for-profit facilities.[3]
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Criticisms of racism
Critics of the juvenile justice system believe that the system is unfairly stacked against minority youth. Minority youth are disproportionately represented in incarcerated populations relative to their representation in the general population. A recent report from the National Council on Crime and delinquency found that minority youth are treated more severely than white youth at every point of contact with the system—from arrest, to detention, to adjudication, to incarceration—even when charged with the same crime.[19] In 1995, African American youths made up 12% of the population, but were arrested at rates double those for Caucasian youths.[20] The trend towards adult adjudication has had implications for the racial make-up of the juvenile prison population as well. Minority youth tried in adult courts are much more likely to be sentenced to serve prison time than white youth offenders arrested for similar crimes.[2
Through the juvenile courts and the adult criminal justice system, the United States incarcerates more of its youth than any other country in the world, a reflection of the larger trends in incarceration practices in the United States. In 2010, approximately 70,800 juveniles were incarcerated in youth detention facilities alone.[1] Approximately 500,000 youth are brought to detention centers in a given year.[2] This data does not reflect juveniles tried as adults. Around 40% are incarcerated in privatized, for-profit facilities.[3]
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Criticisms of racism
Critics of the juvenile justice system believe that the system is unfairly stacked against minority youth. Minority youth are disproportionately represented in incarcerated populations relative to their representation in the general population. A recent report from the National Council on Crime and delinquency found that minority youth are treated more severely than white youth at every point of contact with the system—from arrest, to detention, to adjudication, to incarceration—even when charged with the same crime.[19] In 1995, African American youths made up 12% of the population, but were arrested at rates double those for Caucasian youths.[20] The trend towards adult adjudication has had implications for the racial make-up of the juvenile prison population as well. Minority youth tried in adult courts are much more likely to be sentenced to serve prison time than white youth offenders arrested for similar crimes.[2
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
What I find amusing in your stats, those who have higher concentration rates, more of he dark skinned people islands or countries.
And make no mistake about I am black, Bedell can tell you, Dalyn can tell you, Okie, even SAV can tell you so do not say I am not black because I don't act or sound black. There are blacks who don't like Obama, who hates Jackass and Devil Sharpton, there are blacks who hate welfare, there are blacks who hate the government teat.
Get use to that.
And make no mistake about I am black, Bedell can tell you, Dalyn can tell you, Okie, even SAV can tell you so do not say I am not black because I don't act or sound black. There are blacks who don't like Obama, who hates Jackass and Devil Sharpton, there are blacks who hate welfare, there are blacks who hate the government teat.
Get use to that.
Runnin
Well-known member
Funny thing is that's not near enough.
Those Stats are misleading. Crimes and thier punishment aren't universal.
Most countries don't put up with a lot of the crap that our system does. Thier citizens learn from day one what is acceptable and the punishments they will get if they do wrong.
When kids know that stealing and drugs are bad and they'll get death or thier hands cut off if they commit those crimes, they're likely not going to steal or mess with drugs.
In America it's we'll just put them in the system.
Most countries don't put up with a lot of the crap that our system does. Thier citizens learn from day one what is acceptable and the punishments they will get if they do wrong.
When kids know that stealing and drugs are bad and they'll get death or thier hands cut off if they commit those crimes, they're likely not going to steal or mess with drugs.
In America it's we'll just put them in the system.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
And profit off it.