Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

keithlaw said:
He was dumb enough to dump Tex for nothing and to pay a hefty price for Uggla's decline.
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Uggla is a good comp. Power hitting middle infielder with bad defense that was 30.

He just came off a season hitting .287/.369/.508 (where Olivera has not had 1 at bat in the majors) So instead of a 30 year old major leaguer that has produced, we are trading for one that hasn't (but with Cuban scouting reports that rate him highly). He also has significant injury concerns. We would be paying him for the next 5 or 6 years. Just as a reminder, this is what Uggla has done after he hit 30:

OPS:
.764
.732
.671
.442
.595

The prior 3 years to him turning 30:

.877
.813
.874

I can't help put see the parallels.
 
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smootness said:
We got a guy who, come 2017, will absolute best-case, be OPS'ing about .850 with questionable defense while playing about 120 or so games. And even best-case, that OPS would likely start dropping to below .800 soon after while we're paying him for another 3 years.

And again, that's best-case. We gave up a pitcher who put up almost 4 WAR last year with the 4th best ERA among LHP since being in the majors and a very good young SS prospect for that. I'm sorry, that's just a bad trade.
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I don't think you understand what 'best-case' means.

Its not best case that he will only play 120 games in 2017 --- maybe its probable --- but the guy will be 32 in 2017, lets not act like he's 40 years old. There are a lot of 32+ year olds that play every day.
 
chipchildress said:
braves are the new florida marlins. saving a buck is the most important thing to the organization. why give up juan uribe for a bag of baseballs? because they don't want to spend any more money than they have to. losing on purpose, slashing payroll and now trading legit talent to save more money on a different guy and avoid having to give wood a raise in the process.
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Yeah! The cheap bastards taking on 10million in dead salary to buy a prospect!
 
gilesfan said:
Uggla is a good comp. Power hitting middle infielder with bad defense that was 30.

He just came off a season hitting .287/.369/.508 (where Olivera has not had 1 at bat in the majors) So instead of a 30 year old major leaguer that has produced, we are trading for one that hasn't (but with Cuban scouting reports that rate him highly). He also has significant injury concerns. We would be paying him for the next 5 or 6 years. Just as a reminder, this is what Uggla has done after he hit 30:

OPS:

.764

.732

.671

.442

.595

The prior 3 years to him turning 30:

.877

.813

.874

I can't help put see the parallels.
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You honestly view Uggla and Olivera as comparable athletically? That's a bit silly.
 
weso1 said:
Have you guys watched video of Olivera hitting? He really does have very impressive bat speed, bordering on elite. I really think he's going to be a really good hitter. Health due to his age is my main concern here.

[video=youtube;vEMOA0cElXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEMOA0cElXo[/video]
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He certainly has an impressive batting practice swing. What more do we have to go on?
 
We are rebuilding. If we took a 30-year-old player from our DL with elbow issues and traded him for a 24-year-old lefty with the success Wood has shown and the #1 prospect of the #2 farm system in all of baseball, we would hail Hart as a genius baseball god.
 
Preacher said:
I don't think you understand what 'best-case' means.

Its not best case that he will only play 120 games in 2017 --- maybe its probable --- but the guy will be 32 in 2017, lets not act like he's 40 years old. There are a lot of 32+ year olds that play every day.
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When I say 'best-case' I mean reasonable best-case. Obviously best-case is he OPS's at 1.100, wins an MVP, and stays fully healthy until he's 36.

But I'm not just using his age. Again, he missed 2 full years and played for 3 weeks this year before going down again.

Is Josh Hamilton's best-case scenario playing a full season? I would say no. And I say the same about Olivera.
 
Dalyn said:
We are rebuilding. If we took a 30-year-old player from our DL with elbow issues and traded him for a 24-year-old lefty with the success Wood has shown and the #1 prospect of the #2 farm system in all of baseball, we would hail Hart as a genius baseball god.
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Olivera is signed for the next five years.... how long is the rebuild supposed to last?
 
The fact that this guy has great bat speed makes me all the more nervous. When guys with lightning fast bats start to see their bat speed drop, they tend to crumble pretty quickly. He's hitting the point where bat speed usually starts to fall off. Look at Dan Uggla. He described himself as always being about bat speed. When his bat started to slow down he started having to start his swing earlier and earlier to catch up with a good fastball. That caused him to be more and more of a guess hitter and his collapse was quick and permanent.

I wouldn't be shocked if Olivera goes from excellent contact hitter to hitting .220 at some point in the next two years.
 
Dalyn said:
We are rebuilding. If we took a 30-year-old player from our DL with elbow issues and traded him for a 24-year-old lefty with the success Wood has shown and the #1 prospect of the #2 farm system in all of baseball, we would hail Hart as a genius baseball god.
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That does look better now doesn't it!
 
Dalyn said:
We are rebuilding. If we took a 30-year-old player from our DL with elbow issues and traded him for a 24-year-old lefty with the success Wood has shown and the #1 prospect of the #2 farm system in all of baseball, we would hail Hart as a genius baseball god.
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Yep. When viewed from the Dodgers' perspective, it's laughable.
 
Olivera has only has about 75 ABs this year. Sounds like the guy is a big injury concern...not sure how this deal gets done if all the medical issues that have come out about him are true...seems like he would fail his physical big time.
 
smootness said:
When I say 'best-case' I mean reasonable best-case. Obviously best-case is he OPS's at 1.100, wins an MVP, and stays fully healthy until he's 36.

But I'm not just using his age. Again, he missed 2 full years and played for 3 weeks this year before going down again.

Is Josh Hamilton's best-case scenario playing a full season? I would say no. And I say the same about Olivera.
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Sometimes injuries can be a bit of a fluke -- they don't always correlate to future injuries. I'm certainly not trying to mitigate the concerns here; but the Braves will look closely at the medicals and trust the opinions of their doctors -- if they sign off on him they must be convinced he can handle 150+ games for the foreseeable future. Doesn't mean they will be right.
 
Take a very, very good major league hitter at age 24-26. He misses his 27-year-old season due to injury, comes back and is very good at age 28, then misses his 29-year-old season due to injury. He has rumored elbow concerns and blood clot issues. He comes back at 30, plays for 3 weeks, and goes down with a hamstring injury.

Even if that guy had been a proven, very good major league hitter, would you trade Wood and Peraza for that guy's age 31-36 seasons? I certainly wouldn't.

That's Olivera, except without the 'proven, very good in the majors' part. That's why so many of us can't understand this.
 
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