Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

sturg33 said:
? Was speaking of thethe bringing him up... it's usually him or heyward - the poster
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I know, I was just alluding to the name-calling that some posters can't help themselves from resorting to when they get incomprehensibly twisted.
 
Bowman saying one of the obstacles is that comp bal pick are only allowed to be traded once, by MLB rule.
 
zbhargrove said:
I never said defensive WAR doesn't matter... I said it over inflates the final WAR value... it does, and I'm far from the only one who has that view. No one is saying Heyward isn't a fantastic defender.
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I know you aren't the only one with that view. However most of those people simply don't understand how defensiv evalue works and don't agree with it. Doesn't make it wrong. I feel dWAR is pretty much on point. As I've said many times. If it was so wrong then I don't think you could look historically and see the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards. the Andruw Jones, Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, and Willie Mays of the world. dWAR gives so much credit to Robinson and Smith that it made them HOFers by the numbers. It works historically and it works from year to year. Some people just have a hardtime believeing that a good hitter with elite dense is better overall than a great hitter with bad defense. It's something was engrained into people for a long time specially during the steroid era. That defense doesn't matter. It does and it's easy to evaluate.
 
dak said:
Bowman saying one of the obstacles is that comp bal pick are only allowed to be traded once, by MLB rule.
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Can't be that hard. Marlins send pick to Braves for Peraza. Then send Peraza as part of their deal with the Dodgers. Not that I want to see this go through.

The real story here is Bowman's ability to execute a pirouette. The Bolshoi is scouting him.
 
thewupk said:
I know you aren't the only one with that view. However most of those people simply don't understand how defensiv evalue works and don't agree with it. Doesn't make it wrong. I feel dWAR is pretty much on point. As I've said many times. If it was so wrong then I don't think you could look historically and see the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards. the Andruw Jones, Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, and Willie Mays of the world. dWAR gives so much credit to Robinson and Smith that it made them HOFers by the numbers. It works historically and it works from year to year. Some people just have a hardtime believeing that a good hitter with elite dense is better overall than a great hitter with bad defense. It's something was engrained into people for a long time specially during the steroid era. That defense doesn't matter. It does and it's easy to evaluate.
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My problem is, we needed Heyward to also be a difference maker at the plate... and he simply wasn't. He was still maybe around average or slightly above average for a corner outfielder, but nowhere near what his initial potential showed. I don't know if it was getting hit in the face or what since he was raking right before that time. He has looked much better in the recent months with the Cards so maybe that tentativeness has finally started to melt away. But, the return of a controllable Miller and Jenkins for one year of Heyward was still a great trade, even if he keeps improving.
 
Buster Olney
@Buster_ESPN
Re: LAD: They have nothing locked in for their rotation beyond Kershaw and Bolsinger assured to open 2016. Alex Wood could add to that.
 
Johnson and Avilan are probably about even value with Paco and Bird.

That means for us to have done the deal, we would have to allow the Dodgers to say Olivera is worth more than Wood, which is insane. So Peraza being added from our end and the pick from their's makes up for that perceived gap in value.

We need to go back and be firm in saying Wood is clearly more valuable than a guy with no major league experience, because he is. If the deal was exactly what it is now but with Barnes, De Leon, or Puig involved, I think it would be fair value and good for both teams.
 
Jared Diamond
@jareddiamond
A camp group is walking through the ballpark chanting, "We want Gomez!"

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Is it too late to drive to Turner Field and start a "We want Wood!" chant?
 
Based on everything else Hart has done I still have hope that what has been agreed upon is in the deal and the hold up is over which additional talent we receive.
 
Even though I support a Wood trade... how the heck can we think that a guy who hasn't had a single MLB at-bat is more valuable than a starting pitcher who has shown TOR flashes for 2+ years already in the MLB??
 
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