Ferguson....

thethe said:
The only property that was destroyed was because of the rioterz.

Protestor were allowed to peacefully assemble.
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Let me read this to you again

"Ferguson Police called for assistance from St. Louis County and nearby municipalities as large, emotional crowds gathered at the scene."

Large emotional crowds don't equal need for militarized police. Rioting happened after a police show of force. I guess you consider that a coincidence though.
 
zitothebrave said:
Not what any report I read said. Unless you call shouting at police for leaving the kid on the pavement for 5 hours as getting "out of control"
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Again, what possessions were taken or rights taken away when the protestors were peacefully gathering?
 
jpx7 said:
Brown was unarmed and was shot multiple times; even if all the other things you think about this case are, in fact, true, there are nonetheless other ways to subdue a single unarmed perpetrator than shooting him six times.

(Side note: I like how you phrase it as an interrogative, though your lack of proper punctuation belies that you've already decided it's not a question at all but a fact.)
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Even with a broken eye socket, blood running down your face, only have one eye that sees and you just got the crap beat out of you? Y

If you walked in on a guy size the of Brown hitting your mom, wife, sister etc let he hit that cop, you'll do whatever it takes to get him to stop. You should be thankful you weren't in that cops shoes. To say he could had done this or that, when you've had time to think about the situation and he didn't isn't right.

It's a tragedy. Only person to blame is Brown for instigating it. The cop didn't want to shoot him, he felt like he had to
 
zitothebrave said:
Let me read this to you again

"Ferguson Police called for assistance from St. Louis County and nearby municipalities as large, emotional crowds gathered at the scene."

Large emotional crowds don't equal need for militarized police. Rioting happened after a police show of force. I guess you consider that a coincidence though.
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How does police showing up give people the riot to destroy local businesses?
 
zitothebrave said:
Let me read this to you again

"Ferguson Police called for assistance from St. Louis County and nearby municipalities as large, emotional crowds gathered at the scene."

Large emotional crowds don't equal need for militarized police. Rioting happened after a police show of force. I guess you consider that a coincidence though.
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If I was a business owner I would be happy that the police I pay for were doing what they could to secure the area.
 
zitothebrave said:
Let me read this to you again

"Ferguson Police called for assistance from St. Louis County and nearby municipalities as large, emotional crowds gathered at the scene."

Large emotional crowds don't equal need for militarized police. Rioting happened after a police show of force. I guess you consider that a coincidence

Or maybe the police came geared up because anyone with common sense would think this could get nasty.
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Krgrecw said:
Even with a broken eye socket, blood running down your face, only have one eye that sees and you just got the crap beat out of you? Y

If you walked in on a guy size the of Brown hitting your mom, wife, sister etc let he hit that cop, you'll do whatever it takes to get him to stop. You should be thankful you weren't in that cops shoes. To say he could had done this or that, when you've had time to think about the situation and he didn't isn't right.

It's a tragedy. Only person to blame is Brown for instigating it. The cop didn't want to shoot him, he felt like he had to
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Everyone on this board is a sixth degree back belt.
 
thethe said:
Again...this kids robs a store...bullies a shop owner and physically assaults a cop. Thug is probably the best characterization of him. Good people don't do those things and I fear your ideology will preclude you from admitting that. Brown was not a good kid.
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You admit it yourself: he's a "kid," and plenty of kids do stupid ****. The difference is, black kids are a lot more likely to be killed by police instead of given second chances.
 
thethe said:
If there was a shred of evidence that showed the officer shot brown in the back I would change my stance in an instant. Where is that evidence thiugh?
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There probably won't be any evidence on either account. Yet you're clearly willing to believe something that, again, no major news outlet has reported, as being for sure true. Again google dorian johnson recants. Just do it, And tell me where you see any major news outlet. Infact if you click the news link in Google NOTHING shows up. Why? Because it isn't news it's something from a radio show that maybe it's super breaking and it's way ahead of the curve cause of some connections they have, maybe. But it's not news and you said "The main eyewitness has admitted to lying" trusting something that no one has confirmed as being true. You had a clear bias going into this you just won't admit it.
 
gilesfan said:
How many 300 pound men that punched you in the face (orbital fractures) have you tried to subdue?
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I'm not a police officer; they should be held to a higher standard of discretion since they are permitted a legal monopoly on lethal force in most circumstances.
 
jpx7 said:
You admit it yourself: he's a "kid," and plenty of kids do stupid ****. The difference is, black kids are a lot more likely to be killed by police instead of given second chances.
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Robbing a store and kicking the crap out of a cop is considered "dumb"? I'd call that something much worse.

Brown isn't dead today because there is some Co s piracy against black youth. He is dead today because he made awful choices.
 
gilesfan said:
How does police showing up give people the riot to destroy local businesses?
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It doesn't but it hints at a bigger problem does it not? you're putting all the blame on the protestors when the police absolutely share in the blame for escalating the situation.

If I call you a douchebag, you push me I punch you, I'm not justified in my punching you, but you escalated the incidentwhen it didn't need to be escalated and I continued escalating.
 
jpx7 said:
You admit it yourself: he's a "kid," and plenty of kids do stupid ****. The difference is, black kids are a lot more likely to be killed by police instead of given second chances.
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Black kids that punch cops and charge at them are certainly more likely to get killed than black kids that do not. Right? White kids that physically assault cops are also more likely to get killed than white kids that do not.

The cop only has one chance to live, correct? Should he gamble his life because kids do stupid ****?
 
zitothebrave said:
There probably won't be any evidence on either account. Yet you're clearly willing to believe something that, again, no major news outlet has reported, as being for sure true. Again google dorian johnson recants. Just do it, And tell me where you see any major news outlet. Infact if you click the news link in Google NOTHING shows up. Why? Because it isn't news it's something from a radio show that maybe it's super breaking and it's way ahead of the curve cause of some connections they have, maybe. But it's not news and you said "The main eyewitness has admitted to lying" trusting something that no one has confirmed as being true. You had a clear bias going into this you just won't admit it.
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Or possibly the person who leaked it is in the Know and it hasn't been made public yet.
 
zitothebrave said:
There probably won't be any evidence on either account. Yet you're clearly willing to believe something that, again, no major news outlet has reported, as being for sure true. Again google dorian johnson recants. Just do it, And tell me where you see any major news outlet. Infact if you click the news link in Google NOTHING shows up. Why? Because it isn't news it's something from a radio show that maybe it's super breaking and it's way ahead of the curve cause of some connections they have, maybe. But it's not news and you said "The main eyewitness has admitted to lying" trusting something that no one has confirmed as being true. You had a clear bias going into this you just won't admit it.
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The autopsy proved the original stories were lies. True or false?
 
thethe said:
If I was a business owner I would be happy that the police I pay for were doing what they could to secure the area.
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Sure you would be. And you would have been happy when they dispersed the protestors who were helping protect your business from looters and let more looters in too right? Yay for police states.
 
zitothebrave said:
It doesn't but it hints at a bigger problem does it not? you're putting all the blame on the protestors when the police absolutely share in the blame for escalating the situation.

If I call you a douchebag, you push me I punch you, I'm not justified in my punching you, but you escalated the incidentwhen it didn't need to be escalated and I continued escalating.
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If you call Giles a douchebag and run at him and starting hitting him, he has a right to defend himself. The cop didn't push first.
 
zitothebrave said:
It doesn't but it hints at a bigger problem does it not? you're putting all the blame on the protestors when the police absolutely share in the blame for escalating the situation.

If I call you a douchebag, you push me I punch you, I'm not justified in my punching you, but you escalated the incidentwhen it didn't need to be escalated and I continued escalating.
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A normal response to police showing up should not be rioting. It just shouldnt. Your analogies do not correlate to this situation at all.
 
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